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Ask HN: Anyone a social entrepreneur, i.e. placing social impact above profit?

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone a social entrepreneur, i.e. placing social impact above profit?

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We started Mullvad VPN in 2009 for political reasons. My cofounder Daniel and I viewed it as direct political action through entrepreneurship. In particular we wanted to protest Swedish surveillance legislation (FRA), which is partly why we chose a Swedish name for the service. So far we have refused at least five serious offers of investment and acquisition, because we would rather retain control, even if that meant…

Have you ever considered adding trackers blocking functionality to your VPN like [Jumbo](https://www.jumboprivacy.com/)? They use the device's VPN API to block over 400 trackers like google analytics and facebook trackers. The problem is if you want to use a VPN AND block trackers you can't do both. I wonder if there's a way to integrate the two so one VPN does both things

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2016 - While working as an engineer at Google, I decided to start a free coding bootcamp on the side. I believed I could teach anyone how to become a software engineer so I made a public post asking if anyone is interested in learning how to code and about 30 people showed up at my house. While I was at work in Mountain View, 30 people strangers used my house as a coding bootcamp. 2017 - 30 students were hard to mana…

This was one of my dreams, using my excess wealth to do some form of subsidized education with my twist on it, as an alternative to hoarding it all and ignoring requests for handouts, providing no opportunity to earn the money. Thanks for spelling out the financial disaster that is, pass.

good. It is difficult, but interesting.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone a social entrepreneur, i.e. placing social impact above profit?

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post #98

2016 - While working as an engineer at Google, I decided to start a free coding bootcamp on the side. I believed I could teach anyone how to become a software engineer so I made a public post asking if anyone is interested in learning how to code and about 30 people showed up at my house. While I was at work in Mountain View, 30 people strangers used my house as a coding bootcamp. 2017 - 30 students were hard to mana…

Please stop throwing good money after bad. You’ve proven that your approach doesn’t work, stop it! Go find yourself a more business-minded partner in this undertaking so that it can be financially sustainable. Noble intentions are great but in the end you will be left with nothing and unable to help anybody.

> You’ve proven that your approach doesn’t work, stop it!

I haven't proven anything yet and I have learned alot. You seem to have reached a conclusion though, care to share how?

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post #172

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Similarly, please don't create accounts just to post things like this.

I don't see the harm. What am I missing? Genuinely not trolling you here.

From the guidelines:

> "Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ask HN: Anyone a social entrepreneur, i.e. placing social impact above profit?

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> I really don't want to set a precedence of charging students for something I don't think they should be paying for. What do you think students shouldn't be paying for? Education? Some people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for learning materials and a certificate of completion. Up front. With no guarantee of future income. And no refund if you don't finish. Offering learning materials that only cost money if y…

I don't think students should pay for education, correct. I would enjoy life more if education was free and I'm free to pursue whatever I wanted to learn. It would be even cooler if I was paid to learn so teachers get to experiment with all different ways to teach and they are fully vested into my growth.

Everything has costs. Nothing is free. Public education funding has to come from somewhere so that educators can eat and classrooms can be built and maintained.

Financial transactions are not inherently bad. They are one half of value transfer. In your case, a win-win situation.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone a social entrepreneur, i.e. placing social impact above profit?

#196
I work over at the non-profit Internet Archive running their Open Library. There are a lot of people in the space, applying their entrepreneurial affinities towards public good. I spent ~5 years doing startups before joining the Internet Archive.

Been here for ~5 years.

There's pretty high leverage for impact. It's very fun and satisfying work. Big community of passionate, smart people who care.

This can be true... and at the same time, I'd say there hasn't been a day which has gone by where I haven't felt impostor syndrome as I'm forced to compare my work against the aggressive forward progress achieved by well funded and staffed for-profit organizations.

One of the reasons talent steers clear of non-profits is circumstantial. VCs (who have a vested interest in smart people starting companies or joining their portfolio companies) encourage smart people to do startups. Makes sense, not bad advice.

But this also results in a strange form of dissonance where I'm perfectly certain millions of people could do better work (better design, engineering, and PM'ing) than I'm doing, and yet in the past 5 years, no one has come along and done it.

I think it's in part this self fulfilling prophecy why more, talented people don't try the non-profit path. You likely won't earn stock and may not save up enough to buy an Bay Area house.

1. The impact at non-profits can be extraordinarily high.

For years, I was the only PM / SWE / ops / dir of openlibrary.org responsible for ~3M+ patrons. We were enabling millions of meaningful book borrows for patrons and students. I've been able to independently drive large programs forward, shape partnerships, and am afforded a massive amount of trust and agency w/o having to escalate through a chain of 20 directors.

2. Many non-profit orgs (Wikimedia, Internet Archive, Mozilla, EFF, et al) offer competitive salaries

(I guess SF is a magical place) I'm still able to earn (sans stock) w/ a competitive 6-figure salary.

3. Non-profits can offer opportunities for self-directed personal growth

As someone who considers themselves an early stage "startup person", I've been able to (at my discretion) participate in community organization (50+ contributors), project planning & management, design, devops, software engineering, program creation, and partnerships (I've helped lead a design partnership with the Tradecrafted Group & Rutger's University). I've mentored 3 interns and have had ample opportunities to participate in public speaking.

4. Flexibility

I work remotely with a diverse group of people from all over the world (Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, Amsterdam, India, Italy, etc) :)

5. The team & mission

The people I work with care so much.

Caveats: Non-profits are like startups in another way; I've found myself perpetually having to move quickly and balance time constraints (knowing even if I build something people love, the "rocket fuel" or funding is seldom available to scale up the team we need). This also means (at least for Internet Archive) it can be hard to specialize and I don't always get to build the sexiest solutions with the latest tech.

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#197

The way that you know that you're making a social impact or benefiting society then you're making money. Social benefit and making profits are the same thing. There are exceptions of course, like if you made money by cheating via violence or because you got the government to grant you special privileges. Otherwise, if you're playing by the rules then your profit is the only objective, rational way to reason about you…

As a part-time trader, my social impact has no relationship whatsoever with my profits.

Not true. Your trading provides a secondary market for companies. It encourages people to create new companies to later sell to investors.

Further, you get rewarded to the degree that you correctly speculate on the future prices of stocks (or whatever you trade) and penalised when you get it wrong. That tends to bring future prices back in time (that is, speculation causes the price of something to reflect today what it otherwise would have been in the future). That's really important because it causes capital to be more accurately alloted to ventures that will be creating value in the future and away from those that will create less value or be destructive of value in the future.

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I built a site (addictionlocker.com) which is a password manager that makes you donate to charity to get your passwords back. I built it because everytime I try to lock myself out of twitter, et al, I just unlock whatever I set up because I know the password. Originally, I was going to take a percentage of the profit; but now want to see all of it go to charity. What sucks is I think its a really solid idea; benefits…

I like this idea, but both credit card info and password is a big trust ask for what looks like a fairly random website.

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#199
post #129

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Regarding Tobacco: they're providing a product that people want to consume. I'm classifying fraud with violence. So if a tobacco company lies, pretending that their products are healthy or whatever, that's evil. But a rational human can decide that they want to indulge in something now at the cost of possible consequences in the future. That you or others may not have such a strong time preference, i.e. choose curren…

Both examples feature large long-term negative externalities that are usually picked up in one way or another by the taxpayer.

Here the fault is not the buyer or seller but the government. If you didn't financially penalise the smoker for smoking, he would have a disincentive to smoke. However, the government might decide to subsidise healthcare, thereby taking away the financial penalty of smoking. The government now takes away the financial burden of smoking and encourages people to smoke. I don't think people should smoke, which is why I would object to the government subsidising it.

If people want to indulge their very immediate needs at the future cost to their hip-pocket or health that's Thier indulgence and is what they rationally decided will make them happy. I think it's immoral to take money from taxpayers to subsidise behaviour that has harmful long-term effects.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone a social entrepreneur, i.e. placing social impact above profit?

#200
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> Just wondering, how do you vet the people that apply? I can imagine a lot of people would love to "earn" a free 2k a month and would happily play along doing the bare minimum amount of work required. I think people that never worked in the public sector, particularly in something like social services, overestimate the goodness (for the lack of a better word) of average people. People that do this usually come from…

That’s a pretty negative take on the work ethic of non-elites. While you’re correct that the institutions you mentioned select for intelligence, I’ve seen no evidence in a life lived among working class and professional-class individuals that there is any significant difference in work ethic. I wonder if you’re even aware how many poor and working-class individuals work 2 full-time jobs. The reason why folks working…

> That’s a pretty negative take on the work ethic of non-elites.

Nowhere in my post did I mention elites. In fact, many of my FAANG co-workers were not elites. Tech fares much better here than, say, investment banking.

> While you’re correct that the institutions you mentioned select for intelligence

That's not what I said at all -- if I had to say they selected for one thing, I'd say that the institutions I mentioned probably select for conscientiousness.

> Also, the small percentage of freeloaders out there are very good at sniffing out opportunities for taking advantage of the system...

Again, this is spoken like someone that's never worked in social services and is used to the "social niceties" that something like an Ivy-league education or a cozy tech job offers. I'd prefer looking at this in the abstract (because studies will always be politicized), and freeloading can definitely be an optimal strategy[1].

> But you’re definitely wrong about social mobility in the USA.

Oh come on, at least let's be fair. This is a contentious issue and there are disagreements here. Some say it's gone down, others say it's gone up[2].

[1] https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2016/Q3/game-theory...

[2] https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/05/14/two-leadi...

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