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Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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The temporal dimension is just as important as space. Adding a year between eating meat and a plant-based diet also makes the alternatives more appealing. After being meat and dairy free for awhile my cravings changed. I guess our brains are plastic? I ate (and loved!) meat for 28 years, but today I don't even crave it, and can report I enjoy food just as much as I used to. If being plant-based required will-power, I…

"Committing 100% is easier than committing 98%."

Paraphrased from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-91dMvQQo

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

#52
post #42

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These are USA numbers correct? My numbers are whole world numbers.

Most I can tell your numbers are just entirely made up, I've never heard of any serious study ever estimating global green house gas emissions from agriculture under 10%. https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/ >Globally, the primary sources of greenhouse gas emissions are electricity and heat (31%), agriculture (11%), transportation (15%), forestry (6%) and manufacturing (12%). Energy production of all…

Thanks I updated my OP with those numbers.

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#53
post #46

Today I learned that the British meter is 181 centimeters.

They added a meter. FTA: The difference: almost a metre of added distance between the vegetarian and meat options, with an 85cm gap in the first college compared to a 181cm gap in the second

Thanks!

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

#54

The temporal dimension is just as important as space. Adding a year between eating meat and a plant-based diet also makes the alternatives more appealing. After being meat and dairy free for awhile my cravings changed. I guess our brains are plastic? I ate (and loved!) meat for 28 years, but today I don't even crave it, and can report I enjoy food just as much as I used to. If being plant-based required will-power, I…

I eat high fat, high quality steak and kale - that's all. It's pretty easy. I find it odd that meat is being described as or associated with a craving though. I've never craved plants or other foods.

I'm at 67 hours of a planned 72 hour water fast and I'm not craving food, nor hungry, it's easy once you get past the first day or two to continue for 5-10+ days so long as supplementing for electrolytes.

I'm curious what else you changed in your diet or eating behaviours when you stopped eating meat? Did you reduce your sugar and carbohydrates? The quality (processed or not, organic or not) and type of meat you eat as well - as people can have sensitivities and discomfort by eating specific types of meat; chicken and duck bother me some, pork bothers me more, beef is fine.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

#55
post #28

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Quick googling: “ Livestock takes up nearly 80% of global agricultural land, yet produces less than 20% of the world’s supply of calories” It’s not just about emissions. It’s also about the massive amount of land required to produce meat vs. crops for human consumption. Re: cutting out meat vs. driving, only one of those activities is necessary to survive for the very high percentage of the population who don’t have…

And in particular it's about the amount of virgin forest being cut down in places like Brazil to satisfy the global export market for beef cattle.

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Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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> “All cafeterias and restaurants have a design that ‘nudges’ people towards something. So it is sensible to use designs that make the healthiest and most sustainable food options the easiest to pick without thinking about it,” she said. Hopefully such designs also produce lower quantities of the less desirable options, since food waste has a huge impact on climate change (according to drawdown’s list). > “We know th…

It's also why convenience stores turned into mostly low quality foods and sugar factories, higher profits, in part to subsidize ever increasing cost of rents to pay rent-seeking landlords; the problem persists to larger grocery chains for some degrees, however food overall would be cheaper if people didn't have access to so much "yummy" processed foods where people are habituated to sugary and saltier food.

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#57
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Is it? As a rule of thumb, each layer of indirection in the food chain retains only 10% of the energy from the previous layer. If we eat the stuff we give to cows (which is what vegetarians do) then we would need only 10% of the land to farm it.

Being pedantic. If we eat the stuff they feed to the cows I eat we would die. Grass is not human digestible. My point being the problem is not meat which is a natural part of our diet (and is traditionally raised on land not well suited to crops) but the crazy frankenmeat many are reduced to eating due to overpopulation.

> a natural part of our diet

What has been natural about our diets since the invention of cooking?

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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The temporal dimension is just as important as space. Adding a year between eating meat and a plant-based diet also makes the alternatives more appealing. After being meat and dairy free for awhile my cravings changed. I guess our brains are plastic? I ate (and loved!) meat for 28 years, but today I don't even crave it, and can report I enjoy food just as much as I used to. If being plant-based required will-power, I…

Another problem is reducing the amount of food people eat:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-shift-obes...

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

#59

Stop trying to nudge me. Focus instead on cultured meat, because that actually solves the fundamental problem.

I'm curious if you've tried Beyond Meat? Not saying it is comparable, but it is quite good in my opinion, much better than the old veggie burger options. Just interested in subjective opinions of people of how close it gets to being a viable alternative to people who currently eat meat.

Comparing high quality meat with a highly processed "meat alternative" shouldn't be judge on taste, and they're not comparable otherwise.

Beyond Meat burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Beet Juice Extract (for color).

Many of these things are not good for many people, and many if not the majority of people aren't connected to their body properly, conditioned by ego mind disconnecting them. Personally I can't do pea protein, canola oil, coconut oil, rice, bean, potato, apple, vinegar, lemon, or lecithin. Those all agitate my GI tract causing different levels of discomfort or pain.

What you find in meat however is the same as what's naturally in humans, it's the animal concentrating the plants they eat into nutrients, protein, etc - and high fat red meat like beef has exactly what your body and brain needs and in the right portions.

I'm not trying to argue it's not possible to make a comparable option, however it's highly unlikely. I do wonder if a cultured meat substitute is possible as well, as the highest quality meat are from animals in their natural environment under natural environmental stress conditions, it's more likely to create a comparable product though; getting cost down and texture will be the biggest challenges.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

#60
post #27

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Isn't it rather exaggerated? Doesn't agriculture as a whole cause around 11% of emissions but car driving and heating/cooling causes around 30%? So if we all stopped eating meat we could cut emissions but a couple of % but if we all stopped driving and turned our heating down/up we could actually make a real difference? Edited with real numbers from https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

Agriculture causes around 10%, while transportation, including freight and flights causes around 30%. Among the most effective things you can do yourself with minimal impact of your way of life is choosing to eat less meat. Edit: the numbers I remembered was for Europe. Globally food production is 25%

You can also eat less food if you're obese or overweight. That's will even save you money!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-shift-obes...

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