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I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

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Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

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post #117

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"degenerate activism" -- really? You could have just stopped with the other two.

It's odd to see people unselfconsciously use the term "degenerate" these days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art

This was a dogwhistle, not unselfconscious use of a loaded term.

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

#132

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Usually the provider of a system or a standard also provides the documentation. Should my employer also pay to keep MSDN c# docs up to date? Or should that be the task of microsoft employees?

Microsoft gates plenty of training content behind Visual Studio subscriptions. Also, who is the "provider" of the web platform?

No, we at Microsoft don't make you pay for any of our own developer training material with a VS subscription.

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/benefits/#training?cat... - you can see that the learning materials you get for subscribing all come from third-party partners, from whom you could buy the same things separately.

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

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post #6

>Are you willing to pay 50-100 euros/dollars per year to keep MDN afloat? Yes, as long as there is a guarantee that my money will go towards actually paying people who update the documentation rather than CEO salary, degenerate activism or doomed web startups. >Create an independent entity like Fronteers, but then international, get members to pay 50-100 euros/dollars per year, and use that money to fund MDN or its s…

> degenerate

That breaks the site guidelines against flamebait calling names in arguments. Casual bomb-throwing leads to flamewars, and you started numerous flames with just that one word. We're trying to avoid that here, so please don't.

You don't need that to make your point, so please stick to the rules.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

#135
What's exactly difficult in running the MDN? It's just a bunch of makrdown files contributed to by folks on payroll from Google and co. The content can be hosted on github and served via github pages. This looks like a $25/year operation to me (total, not from each MDN user). The real value comes from those folks on payroll who update MDN, but the big tech is already willing to pay for that.

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

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post #94

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> I'd donate to a cause if my money doesn't go towards political alignments of any kind. That's... well, naive, I guess? Every single NGO picks an issue, and that issue has a political angle to it. Not only do I think it's unreasonable to expect an NGO to be apolitical, I think it's flat out impossible. I would ask you: Do you really want NGOs to be apolitical? Or do you want them to share your political alignment, a…

There are NGOs that don't take public stances, you just have to look out for them (depends on your country as well I guess?). It's fine if you want to accept everyone is corrupt and will have hidden causes ("that's naive") but I don't and other people share this. >Or do you want them to share your political alignment, and in that way be non-controversial? Please stop these kind of assumptions - it just feels childish…

> Please stop these kind of assumptions - it just feels childish.

It was a genuine question, not an assumption. I was just challenging the way you were positioning your opinion. I thought my comment was phrased in a way that was polite and direct. I don't see how that warranted an insult.

I won't address the rest of your comment as I think bccdee did a fine job of saying what I would've said.

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

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post #6

>Are you willing to pay 50-100 euros/dollars per year to keep MDN afloat? Yes, as long as there is a guarantee that my money will go towards actually paying people who update the documentation rather than CEO salary, degenerate activism or doomed web startups. >Create an independent entity like Fronteers, but then international, get members to pay 50-100 euros/dollars per year, and use that money to fund MDN or its s…

> Yes, as long as there is a guarantee that my money will go towards actually paying people who update the documentation rather than CEO salary, degenerate activism or doomed web startups. Interestingly, this same sentiment is a huge part of why charitable giving runs into problems. A lot of people are willing to give, so long as they get to decide what is done with their funds. Of course, these same people have no i…

In my opinion, this is both unfair and simplistic. It implies that people will only donate to a charity if they have control over where the money is spent. I disagree with this vehemently; those who give likely do not want to micro-manage the funds. Rather, they want to ensure that it forwards the goals of the charity and is not spent on unreasonably large executive compensation payrolls or expensive private jet flights, etc.

For instance, we might recall people donating money to the Red Cross to aid Haiti after the earthquake that country suffered in 2010. We later found out that maybe 75% of the funds donated actually made it to the country.[0] The argument can certainly be made that some of the donated funds should go towards the overhead of the organization but it seems reasonable for people to be upset when a full quarter of those funds somehow gets lost along the way.

People are asking charities to be more accountable because such accountability is direly needed. When large charities break trust with the public, as in the case of the Red Cross (and many others, perhaps Mozilla, even), this is what happens. Laying the blame on those still willing to hand money over for the good of all strikes me as misguided.

[0]: https://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482020436/senators-report-fin...

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

#139
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's odd to see people unselfconsciously use the term "degenerate" these days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art

This was a dogwhistle, not unselfconscious use of a loaded term.

Ah well, I'm a proud degenerate. Better that than a deplorable, I guess.

Re: I Love MDN, or the cult of the free in action

#140
I find the premise technical writing is under appreciated or is only a professional skill little odd.

Wikipedia and StackOverflow have proved that technical writing can be done by community and crowd sourced effectively with active moderation.

This model has and can work, even independent sites like caniuse.com have been able to good quality content and are used widely.

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