Is there still a possibility to defer? I would‘ve definitely done that back in April.
Maybe if you don’t have loans or scholarships. This late in the game it’s almost certain that the loans and scholarships are cashed for the the bill by now
Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
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Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree about the college format going completely online. There is so much about the college experience that is not directly related to earning a degree. It's a place where most people are exposed to new ideas, new types of people. It's a place where lasting friendships and relationships are formed. It's a place of growth that an online experience could never hope to replicate, and that's the REAL benefit of colle…
> I know people who went to college, but lived at home with their parents "to save money". In reality, they didn't need to save the minimal room and board fees of a state school; they were mostly just cowards. They are the people that haven't changed at all since high school. They're the people that are afraid of everything in the world outside their small circle. I did exactly that. Lived at home, attended college,…
well, if you look closer, the people telling this bs are actually all coming from a more than well-off-background.
Like the person playing in a local band, telling me "I moved out" - me: "nice, but how can you afford that" - "I work as a tutor" - "that 400€ is not supporting your apartment" - "oh, no, my father is paying for that". yessss.
I would really liked to have moved out too for the aforementioned reasons (lived in a small city next to uni-town, where there's basically nothing happening and except for my small circle, I didn't find HS people very interesting...), but basically all the great experiences cost money and/or time of which there is none, if you really do it in a financially sound way while studying something MINTy... (and I doubt that feeling like a slave is the glorious experience).
Note: probably I was a coward in the beginning for not moving away, because then I could have gotten state-assistance and cheap student dorms... Though that's kind of a though choice, when your uni of choice is basically the academically best around in your country... (and frankly, at this point I didn't have a lot of people telling me, that this not necessarily is, what you want in a bachelors degree...)
Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
#193I feel like I can offer a unique perspective on this because I go to Notre Dame and we are just finishing the first week of classes with everyone back on campus. It's gone alright so far. All the cases so far have been traced back to off campus bars or parties. However, I expect it to get worse soon as cases start spreading on campus. If you want to see how Notre Dame is doing with cases and testing we have a dashboa…
So the only way this would work long term is if students on campus don't go to bars to parties?
Or it may work because there’s close to zero chance of dying for college students, and we have far more immune people now than we did back in the spring. Sweden’s numbers are looking very interesting right now.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trades have been more lucrative than many liberal arts-esque jobs for decades. Awareness isn’t the issue. The issue is social acceptability. Until plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. stop being a part of the undesirable Other to middle and upper middle class Americans, nothing will change. Paying $100,000 for your kid to study underwater basket weaving at Harvard is still socially superior to running a multi-mil…
==Until plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. stop being a part of the undesirable Other to middle and upper middle class Americans== Source? I think most people view these jobs as the foundation of the American middle class. At least we do in the Midwest, where I grew up. ==Paying $100,000 for your kid to study underwater basket weaving at Harvard is still socially superior to running a multi-million dollar busin…
Things are viewed differently on the coasts, where those roles are very much lower class, even though they pay well.
Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat different take. The student debt problem is not really related to the college format. The format existed in earlier decades, exists in other countries and exists in K-12 education without runaway costs and student debt. It's mostly a matter of policy. The US' method to expand third level education to most of the population was by government backed and/or subsidized loans, without price controls. This caused…
I disagree about the college format going completely online. There is so much about the college experience that is not directly related to earning a degree. It's a place where most people are exposed to new ideas, new types of people. It's a place where lasting friendships and relationships are formed. It's a place of growth that an online experience could never hope to replicate, and that's the REAL benefit of colle…
> I know people who went to college, but lived at home with their parents "to save money". In reality, they didn't need to save the minimal room and board fees of a state school; they were mostly just cowards.
Such strong words! In many countries, it is totally normal to stay at home with your parents and attend a college in your hometown, especially if it is a big enough city with many colleges.
Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat different take. The student debt problem is not really related to the college format. The format existed in earlier decades, exists in other countries and exists in K-12 education without runaway costs and student debt. It's mostly a matter of policy. The US' method to expand third level education to most of the population was by government backed and/or subsidized loans, without price controls. This caused…
I disagree about the college format going completely online. There is so much about the college experience that is not directly related to earning a degree. It's a place where most people are exposed to new ideas, new types of people. It's a place where lasting friendships and relationships are formed. It's a place of growth that an online experience could never hope to replicate, and that's the REAL benefit of colle…
I’m sorry but 99% of “the college experience” you get from being with your peers and having experiences with them that are extra curricular, that is to say out of the scope of explicit education. It is available to all non-students as well, but since so many people come of age at university they assume it’s the same thing.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is 4 years of living away from home experiencing whatever floats your boat ( frats, independence, parties, sports, friends, etc... ) I’m in university right now. I just finished a term of online classes. I’ve definitely witnessed those benefits being enjoyed by other students but I haven’t had the time to enjoy them myself; my program is simply too difficult for that. The most I’ve enjoyed is going out for drinks…
It's staggering to me how much people will publicly support government subsidized partying and friend making. At least in the past it felt like people pretended it was about education.
Partying in college is totally a new phenomenon!
Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
#198Let the college kids get sick. They are extremely unlikely to have any serious effects from covid. At least on a college campus they won’t infect older family members. Herd immunity on campus would be reached very quickly. The few with serious preexisting conditions can stay home until that happens. The level of fear is frankly ridiculous. People get sick and people die. One day, we will all die. That is the human co…
The life expectancy of someone who is 75 is ~12 years [0]. Do we really want to argue that that decade of someone's life has no value because they're "on the cusp of death"? A 1% mortality rate in the US (if everyone gets it) is 4 million people. The US fought the longest war in their history over 3000 deaths. That all is ignoring permanent, non-fatal damage. There's reasonable evidence at this point that Covid infec…
12 years of life expectancy, but likely less of HALE, which is the type of metric better suited to the OPs point.
https://publichealth.wustl.edu/heatlhspan-is-more-important-...
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would say that any parent who outright rejects this logic is a moron too, probably moreso. The idea that "social desirability" does not reflect actually valuable stuff is foolish. Class exists in some form in every society. People are always hyper-aware of class issues, and it has always been a primary part of the college/career decision process.
In the US we pretend that class doesn’t exist here. We have risen above that, you see, anybody here can become anything they want. Much the same way we pretend that racism doesn’t exist.
Anyone can move up in class, if they want to. We don’t pretend to understand or support those who would take an upper middle class background and then go work in the trades.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think calling "most business degrees excepting accounting and finance" a problem just seems wrong and frankly pretty arrogant. I do think too many people take business degrees and think they'll just "become managers" (and there's a high number of "don't know what else to do" type of students) but there are many actually useful things taught in the typical degree programs. I mean thinking of a typical non specialize…
Well... criticising anyone's degree (even though I also have such a degree) is always arrogant. That's the point we're at though. It has become the most popular degree while simultaneously getting worse in quality... starting from a low base. As I said, I have one of these degrees, and have hired and worked with many people with such degrees. First, I agree that the math and (particularly) the statistics classes are…
well, that might be the case with the US, but here in Germany state-schools are not really down that path yet, with most including a stats intro (quality varies), a math intro and accounting for everyone.
The only place, where I've seen this super-useless business-degrees actually was a private uni, selling a "marketing" bachelors. Not sure, what the person (acquaintance of my sister) learned there, but apparently it didn't even know a lot about the internet as a marketplace, last time I talked...