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Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by ceilingcorner »

elliekelly wrote: post #42
nsnick wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is deciding to work a trade instead of going to Stanford.

Do you not see programming as a trade? Do you not see accounting as a trade? Nursing? Medicine? Law? Pharmacology? I would consider all of those “trades.” The non-trade courses of study aren’t particularly popular with college students anymore. I don’t know many people with degrees in english or latin or history or philosophy. And the few that I do always planned to go to trade school (law school) so their undergrad…

No one considers these things trades. Trades and trade school have a very specific meaning in contemporary American English.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by huffmsa »

tyingq wrote: post #9

My son's state university is forcing students to return in person. I fully expect a notable outbreak in some college to start a wave of media noise, followed by all the universities sending everyone back home again. Sucks because students are signing leases, moving crap, buying meal plans, etc, right now. Aside from the obvious safety issues.

Yeah but there are outbreaks of everything at the beginning of the school year, at all levels.

Flu, mono, the clap. It's why you're supposed to be up to date on your vaccinations.

It's just what happens when a bunch of people who've been in separate microbiomes come together and start sharing the same air.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by chrisseaton »

elliekelly wrote: post #42
nsnick wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is deciding to work a trade instead of going to Stanford.

Do you not see programming as a trade? Do you not see accounting as a trade? Nursing? Medicine? Law? Pharmacology? I would consider all of those “trades.” The non-trade courses of study aren’t particularly popular with college students anymore. I don’t know many people with degrees in english or latin or history or philosophy. And the few that I do always planned to go to trade school (law school) so their undergrad…

> I would consider all of those “trades.”

Well good luck communicating with other people because is not how anyone else anywhere uses the word ‘trade’.

They’re not ‘trades’ they’re ‘professions’.

And I would guess you already know this and you’re trying to be contrary rather than you’re genuinely misunderstanding a basic word.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by muh_gradle »

netcan wrote: post #32
eric4smith wrote: post #12

I firmly think there is a sea change going on from standard “college” degrees to more practical training that will be a mix of apprenticeship and solid training like air/vac, electricians and online skills, since the vast majority of jobs don’t really need a college degree. This has actually begun already at the high school level. Once again I believe net/net the beer virus will be positive for America in the long ru…

Somewhat different take. The student debt problem is not really related to the college format. The format existed in earlier decades, exists in other countries and exists in K-12 education without runaway costs and student debt. It's mostly a matter of policy. The US' method to expand third level education to most of the population was by government backed and/or subsidized loans, without price controls. This caused…

Do you have any sources for the increase in government assistance? Because that doesn't seem right to me. Tuition has increased at a far higher rate compared to say government expenditure on Pell grants and government subsidized loans. But I could be wrong.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by LargeWu »

netcan wrote: post #32
eric4smith wrote: post #12

I firmly think there is a sea change going on from standard “college” degrees to more practical training that will be a mix of apprenticeship and solid training like air/vac, electricians and online skills, since the vast majority of jobs don’t really need a college degree. This has actually begun already at the high school level. Once again I believe net/net the beer virus will be positive for America in the long ru…

Somewhat different take. The student debt problem is not really related to the college format. The format existed in earlier decades, exists in other countries and exists in K-12 education without runaway costs and student debt. It's mostly a matter of policy. The US' method to expand third level education to most of the population was by government backed and/or subsidized loans, without price controls. This caused…

I disagree about the college format going completely online. There is so much about the college experience that is not directly related to earning a degree. It's a place where most people are exposed to new ideas, new types of people. It's a place where lasting friendships and relationships are formed. It's a place of growth that an online experience could never hope to replicate, and that's the REAL benefit of college.

I know people who went to college, but lived at home with their parents "to save money". In reality, they didn't need to save the minimal room and board fees of a state school; they were mostly just cowards. They are the people that haven't changed at all since high school. They're the people that are afraid of everything in the world outside their small circle.

I guess that's fine for them, but I would want more for myself, and for my children.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by chongli »

watwut wrote: post #50
chongli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sucks because students are signing leases, moving crap, buying meal plans, etc, right now. This is the whole reason schools want students back. They’re desperate to recover some of this cash flow. They have huge budgets and vast numbers of administrative staff to pay. Without the revenue from residence leases and meal plans, they’re in real trouble.

From all these, only mean plans money go to university? If they are signing leases, it suggests they live outside of university.

Lots of universities own residence buildings on and around campus. Students sign leases with the university directly.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by [deleted] »

anonunivgrad wrote: post #22

Let the college kids get sick. They are extremely unlikely to have any serious effects from covid. At least on a college campus they won’t infect older family members. Herd immunity on campus would be reached very quickly. The few with serious preexisting conditions can stay home until that happens. The level of fear is frankly ridiculous. People get sick and people die. One day, we will all die. That is the human co…

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Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by chrisseaton »

huffmsa wrote: post #52
tyingq wrote: post #9

My son's state university is forcing students to return in person. I fully expect a notable outbreak in some college to start a wave of media noise, followed by all the universities sending everyone back home again. Sucks because students are signing leases, moving crap, buying meal plans, etc, right now. Aside from the obvious safety issues.

Yeah but there are outbreaks of everything at the beginning of the school year, at all levels. Flu, mono, the clap. It's why you're supposed to be up to date on your vaccinations. It's just what happens when a bunch of people who've been in separate microbiomes come together and start sharing the same air.

Freshers’ flu we used to call it. And everyone getting physical in the first couple of weeks means it spreads very quickly.
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