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Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jp555 wrote: post #148
crazygringo wrote: post #17

I'm excited for transparent OLED's simply so that laptops and monitors will be able to put the webcam behind the display, ~1/3 from the top. Then videoconferencing software can automatically move the image of the person you're talking to so their eyes are roughly centered on that point. And finally everyone gets to make direct eye contact again!

Why worry about better horse bridles (Webcams) when the automobile is beginning to roll out ($300 PC-free VR)?

VR won't have a picture of your face at all. How does that help with eye contact?

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by jp555 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #151
jp555 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why worry about better horse bridles (Webcams) when the automobile is beginning to roll out ($300 PC-free VR)?

VR won't have a picture of your face at all. How does that help with eye contact?

It will (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y), and VR already conveys MUCH more of the micro-interactions of being with people that we are unknowingly blind to in Zoom meetings, which is one reason Zoom meetings are so draining.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jp555 wrote: post #152
Dylan16807 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VR won't have a picture of your face at all. How does that help with eye contact?

It will ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y ), and VR already conveys MUCH more of the micro-interactions of being with people that we are unknowingly blind to in Zoom meetings, which is one reason Zoom meetings are so draining.

How? At best it can take pictures of part of your face. And usually there's a screen inside that headset. Don't you have the exact same problem of needing a camera to be in the middle of the screen? But now it's even worse because the other person's eyes could be anywhere on the screen as you move your head.

Edit: Oh, you have a link now. So it's going to render a fake head based on eye tracking? You can do that without VR!

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by jp555 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #153
jp555 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y ), and VR already conveys MUCH more of the micro-interactions of being with people that we are unknowingly blind to in Zoom meetings, which is one reason Zoom meetings are so draining.

How? At best it can take pictures of part of your face. And usually there's a screen inside that headset. Don't you have the exact same problem of needing a camera to be in the middle of the screen? But now it's even worse because the other person's eyes could be anywhere on the screen as you move your head. Edit: Oh, you have a link now. So it's going to render a fake head based on eye tracking? You can do that with…

Just added a video explaining one approach being taken - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y

And that's over a year ago...

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jp555 wrote: post #154
Dylan16807 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? At best it can take pictures of part of your face. And usually there's a screen inside that headset. Don't you have the exact same problem of needing a camera to be in the middle of the screen? But now it's even worse because the other person's eyes could be anywhere on the screen as you move your head. Edit: Oh, you have a link now. So it's going to render a fake head based on eye tracking? You can do that with…

Just added a video explaining one approach being taken - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y And that's over a year ago...

Nothing in that depends on a VR headset. You can do that with a normal webcam. It's a completely orthogonal technology.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by jp555 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #155
jp555 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just added a video explaining one approach being taken - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y And that's over a year ago...

Nothing in that depends on a VR headset. You can do that with a normal webcam. It's a completely orthogonal technology.

You can deliver a complete VR experience with just a normal webcam?

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jp555 wrote: post #156
Dylan16807 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in that depends on a VR headset. You can do that with a normal webcam. It's a completely orthogonal technology.

You can deliver a complete VR experience with just a normal webcam?

You can deliver a rendered avatar based on facial tracking to remove the "camera in the wrong place" eye contact problems, even with normal screens and cameras.

VR makes things immersive, but it is neither necessary nor sufficient to solve the eye contact problem. It's orthogonal.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by sukilot »

crazygringo wrote: post #17

I'm excited for transparent OLED's simply so that laptops and monitors will be able to put the webcam behind the display, ~1/3 from the top. Then videoconferencing software can automatically move the image of the person you're talking to so their eyes are roughly centered on that point. And finally everyone gets to make direct eye contact again!

What do you mean "again"? Who stares into each other's eyes? Is your lover far away?

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by grishka »

wyattpeak wrote: post #81
jmiller099 wrote: post #12

Transparent OLED on subway video https://en.oledspace.com/a-closer-look-into-beijings-futuris...

I can't tell if it's a feature of the screen or just the very dark nature of subway tunnels, but I really like the fact that the screen goes completely opaque on the bright blue screens. Transparent screens could be useful in all sorts of scenarios, but I think tech demos too often ignore the fact that, most of the time, you want the image to be as clear as possible, which means opaque.

I wonder why no one suggested putting a very thin, transparent monochrome LCD behind one of these. It would allow darkening the background, as opposed to OLED's ability to emit light but not block it from passing through. Basically, you'd use two display technologies to complement each other.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Post by jp555 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #157
jp555 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can deliver a complete VR experience with just a normal webcam?

You can deliver a rendered avatar based on facial tracking to remove the "camera in the wrong place" eye contact problems, even with normal screens and cameras. VR makes things immersive, but it is neither necessary nor sufficient to solve the eye contact problem. It's orthogonal.

It's not about just eye contact, but a whole lot of body language that we are totally blind to with a just video of someone who's not even looking at you. This body language is a very important part of communicating and can be mediated with VR.

This blindless in webcam meetings make everyone something like socially "autistic", and is a big part of what can make them much more draining than in-person meetings.

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