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Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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Just curious, why the author thinks that Safari is a joke?

Safari became truly niche when they retreated from Windows. And everyone I know with a Mac uses Chrome. The only place it's relevent is on iOS, and only then because of enforcement by Apple to use their rendering engine - given the freedom, Chrome would use Chromium on iOS, and Firefox would be Gecko.

We can't even debug mobile Safari pages without a Mac. So it ends up as 'probably works' because it works in Chrome.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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Silicon Valley is a really nice club with zero consequences for those that have been screwing up the internet and online privacy for decades. Therefore I don't think it's appropriate to now complain that somebody's calling these people a disgrace to their field. Recently we learned on HN of the revolving door between Mozilla and Facebook, straight from the mouths of former Mozilla/current Facebook employees. They wer…

Sure Silicon Valley bad, but it's pointless to shame them if they don't care, especially if their employer is bankrolling them. I mean, Google bankrolled Mozilla for years, nobody questioned or even opposed it, yet Mozilla criticises them on privacy, and now look what happened. But what do we do? I would like to take action against this, but this post doesn't really do anything about this. I fear that we will see mor…

> especially if their employer is bankrolling them

That's the problem! These are developers who don't care about the ecosystem. Drew is entirely right, they should be ashamed of what they've done, and use any and all influence to end this experiment.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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Someone actively sits down and codes all the things that make the world a worse place, and they often do it after and despite all of the arguments for why it is bad; maybe you disagree that AMP is a problem--I, honestly, haven't made a decision there yet--but to be very blunt about it: we tend to attribute too many things to organizations and companies when there should be a list of very concrete names of engineers w…

We live in an unethical economy. Do you expect everyone to be able to live off founding an ethical startup?

This, and if all the devs shun a particular company as large as Facebook, it will just increase the salary offer until someone take it.

There's always a price for someone to bend their ethics.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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> Mozilla just fired everyone relevant to focus on crap no one asked for like Pocket, and fad nonsense like a paid VPN service and virtual reality tech. Not disagreeing with the rest of this, but I love Pocket.

I love it too, and I was delighted to find official support for it on my Kobo eReader.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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> Enough is enough. What I don't like about this post is too much emotion, not much action. > If you’re a Google engineer who is still working on AMP, you are a disgrace to your field. Really? Career shaming? That's very low of the author to do. Why are they a disgrace?

I agree with Drew about a lot of things, but he's career shamed before and it never sat right with me, even if he has a maybe valid point.

I remember he said something very similar about people working for FAANG.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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This is the same rant one said about windows many years ago, one should not bloat and add more and more features. The answer is still the same, things need to evolve if it gives meaning and give improved user experience and value. It is only natural to bundle more and more functionality in a product. Many years ago IE 6 won the browser war and was set in maintenance mode for many years, but no progress made it easy for someone else to take over. First Firefox and then later Chrome. I think the Chrome team have learned their lessons and will continue to improve the product and make everyone else follow as long as there is user demand for the features and it gives strategic sense for Google.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silicon Valley is a really nice club with zero consequences for those that have been screwing up the internet and online privacy for decades. Therefore I don't think it's appropriate to now complain that somebody's calling these people a disgrace to their field. Recently we learned on HN of the revolving door between Mozilla and Facebook, straight from the mouths of former Mozilla/current Facebook employees. They wer…

Speaking of Web Browsers, I won't be surprised if FB introduces their own browser, this could potentially be so much more dystopian than Chrome it's scary that's a possibility. Chrome is already de facto mandated by some government agencies across the globe by virtue of that their authentication doesn't work in other browsers (not even Chromium in some cases).

In a way they already have:

https://www.stateofdigital.com/facebook-browser-biggest-brow...

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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> Enough is enough. What I don't like about this post is too much emotion, not much action. > If you’re a Google engineer who is still working on AMP, you are a disgrace to your field. Really? Career shaming? That's very low of the author to do. Why are they a disgrace?

I don't understand this assumption that "x shaming" is inherently a negative thing. Shame is an essential social emotion. I don't see what's wrong with shaming people for unethical or immoral choices they choose to make.

Re: Web browsers need to stop. Enough is enough

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This is the same rant one said about windows many years ago, one should not bloat and add more and more features. The answer is still the same, things need to evolve if it gives meaning and give improved user experience and value. It is only natural to bundle more and more functionality in a product. Many years ago IE 6 won the browser war and was set in maintenance mode for many years, but no progress made it easy f…

> I think the Chrome team have learned their lessons and will continue to improve the product

There's a fine line between improvement and churn

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