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German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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I'm there. Management sent an email to all employees a week after the process was initiated about how the works council was against all their values, and they have an amazing idea for modern employee representation - one they only hired an external lawyer to present after the employees asked for a works council. Only a couple days ago, after having the invite in their hands for 10 days did they start complaining abou…

The problem with those alternative employee representation is, that there are not protected according to the "Betriebsverfassungsgesetz" (business constituational act). which can be very important if it comes to a conflict with the employer.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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At least here in NL the Works Council is mandatory _By law_ if you have more than 50 employees. I suppose the laws in Germany are similar. and I also suppose N26 has more than 50 employeees ;) A healthy organization should have one, in my opinion. Management being against it is an unhealthy sign. Just so you have some context. a Works Council has the following rights: Right to discuss: they will have a bi-yearly meet…

Worker Councils seem to have broadly similar but slightly different rights and responsibilities in Germany.

They are never mandatory, however employees do have the right to form one if there are at least five employees who are eligible to vote (18+) and if at least three of those can be elected (>6 months with the company, broadly speaking no one in an important management role).

At least three employees have to take the initiative and call for an election and that can often be quite scary, to be honest. Because appalling rhetoric like here from N26 is not uncommon when that happens. Often these employers also try to (even pre-emptively) form their own unofficial employee council (like is the case here), however that has to be seen with a heavy dose of skepticism, since ultimate power of how such unofficial councils function and whether they can exist at all still rests with the employer. Unlike the Worker Councils they are not protected by the law.

Worker councils cannot be abolished by the employers, their rights cannot be taken away by the employer. The employer has not control over them. That’s their power.

That doesn’t really change that I’m currently still too scared to actually form one at the company I work for, even though I would very much like for it to exist. It still feels like painting a target on your back, even though Germany does not have at-will employment and you certainly cannot be fired or blocked or even just so much as reprimanded for wanting a form a Worker Council.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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At least here in NL the Works Council is mandatory _By law_ if you have more than 50 employees. I suppose the laws in Germany are similar. and I also suppose N26 has more than 50 employeees ;) A healthy organization should have one, in my opinion. Management being against it is an unhealthy sign. Just so you have some context. a Works Council has the following rights: Right to discuss: they will have a bi-yearly meet…

That's fascinating. I can see both the positives of it and the downsides. I recently (around two years ago) worked for a startup which grew too quickly and made some really bad hiring decisions which left them with a lot of loud, disgruntled employees - these works council right's would've crippled the company instead of just setting it back a few years.

On the other side I've worked for a larger financial services company more than a few years ago which would've really benefited from this sort of setup as the management was pretty callous in regards to when it got rid of employees or changed incentives at last second or diluted them severely.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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If a startup refuses a worker’s council this way and someone already tries to establish it, that’s a good sign to look for employment somewhere else.

In the article the N26 management is quoted: "The alternative to the Works Council should have a representation of employees who are not only based in Germany, but also all other countries, including Brazil and the United States" and "That said, if the N26 team feels that they want to organize the feedback culture in Germany differently via a works council, N26 will of course respect and support this, as well as any…

> The article says the initial dissent from the management was due to Covid19 concerns

Here's the arrangement from the Worker's Council to address the concern

>>> How do you ensure the health and safety of participants of the Electoral Board meeting given COVID19?

> Our Health & Safety concept has been drawn up in collaboration with legal experts.

> The venue we selected accommodates up to 500 people with proper physical distancing. N26 Operations GmbH has less than 500 employees, so even if all of them decide to participate, the meeting can go ahead. N26 GmbH has more employees than 500; however, with holidays, illness and travels, we anticipate that not all of them will come to the Electoral Board meeting. In the (very unlikely) event that 500 or more people turn up, the meeting will have to be postponed.

> The contact details of each participant will be collected and kept for the time required by law.

> At the entrance, we will check the identity of each participant to ensure that no unauthorized or external people can enter. On the 13th of August, only employees of N26 Operations GmbH can enter. On the 14th of August, only employees of N26 GmbH can enter.

> If you experience symptoms of a cold, flue and/or COVID19, or you were told to quarantine, please do not come to the meeting! After the Electoral Board is set up, you will still be able to vote for the delegates for the Working Council.

https://www.worker26.com/faq/

Edit - A real time update

https://twitter.com/worker291/status/1294210928234373120?s=2...

> UPDATE: Someone has called the police to check the safety measures of the meeting. They found no issue and have left the premises.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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> N26's co-founders Valentin Stalf and Maximilian Tayenthal have argued for an alternative, saying they believe the traditional German works council excludes international employees

This is patently false. I work at a medium-sized startup in Berlin, which is very international, with many of my colleagues speaking little German. We have recently created a Works Council (with support from the management) - and the council includes non-german speakers. It is certainly more work, as the work of the council involves a lot of german law - so training and documents need to be translated - however it is possible, and we have nothing even close to the resources of N26.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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> N26 has filed another restraining order to prevent today's Electoral Board Selection for N26 GmbH, this time against the union ver.di. As such, IG Metall has stepped in to chair today's meeting. It will take place at the same venue, with the time delayed so people can make it. https://twitter.com/worker291/status/1294183659583369216?s=2...

That's beyond stupid. It's fintech. Always on the brink of being regulated to death, a highly sensitive area. They need every inch of goodwill from politics and the public they can get. Fighting against worker unionization is already highly unpopular in Germany and will cost them a bunch of customers, and will cause them to lose political favor. Now adding ver.di (one of the strongest unions) to their enemies, what are they thinking? Do they have no clue how politically connected and powerful those unions are? They are now completely branded as untrustworthy and stupid.

Also completely invalidates their defense for the first restraining order, citing health risks. That was covered the moment ver.di took over the organization of the meeting.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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If a startup refuses a worker’s council this way and someone already tries to establish it, that’s a good sign to look for employment somewhere else.

In the article the N26 management is quoted: "The alternative to the Works Council should have a representation of employees who are not only based in Germany, but also all other countries, including Brazil and the United States" and "That said, if the N26 team feels that they want to organize the feedback culture in Germany differently via a works council, N26 will of course respect and support this, as well as any…

That's a very carefully worded statement to avoid giving evidence on a silver platter of the crime in § 119 Abs. 1 Nr. 1 BetrVG

The following offences shall be punishable by a term of imprisonment not exceeding one year or a fine, or both:

1. interfering with an election to the works council, the youth and trainee delegation, the ship’s committee, the fleet works council or the representative bodies of the employees referred to in section 3 (1), clause 1 to 3 or 5, or influencing such elections by inflicting or threatening reprisals or granting or promising incentives

Their actions speak different words

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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> N26's co-founders Valentin Stalf and Maximilian Tayenthal have argued for an alternative, saying they believe the traditional German works council excludes international employees This is patently false. I work at a medium-sized startup in Berlin, which is very international, with many of my colleagues speaking little German. We have recently created a Works Council (with support from the management) - and the coun…

I think they meant "international employees" as in "employees of non-german N26 Subsidiaries", not "non-german speaking employees of german-N26 entities".

Which, of course, is also a laughably bad argument, since there's nothing that prevents N26 from voluntarily granting those employees similar protections they'd enjoy if they were employed in Germany.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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Overall pretty exaggerated. N26 is against a worker's council, but they are not preventing the employees to form one, and will accept their decision.

I mean, they legally can't and have to, respectively.
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