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Re: Transparent OLEDs

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> put the webcam behind the display The first time I saw an optical finger print sensor under a glass display, that was my immediate hope that it would kick off an under-glass optics explosion. > everyone gets to make direct eye contact again! As someone who doesn't always have "good" days with eye-contact, being forced to do that feels a bit terrifying.

As someone who doesn't always have "good" days with eye-contact Same here. In addition, I find when I'm forced to make eye contact for a prolonged time (> 2 min), my eyes get exhausted.

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Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Yes I can see the discussion at hardware manufacturers now. Marketing: 'So, we can monitor users and collect sellable data through a camera hidden behind their monitor?' Engineer: 'Why yes, but maybe we should allow users to disable this through some kind of hardware switch. It could lead to potential privacy violations etc.' Marketing: 'If they turned it off could we still collect marketable data?' Engineer: 'Well n…

Ethical engineer: Not if you want anyone to keep working here. Also, it'll make the news. No.

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Re: Transparent OLEDs

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We've bought/had replaced half a dozen XPS13s in the last 18 months and all but one have had to be returned, some are on their second replacement. QA seems to be non-existent

What was so bad about them?

Not the person you were replying to, but anecdotally my XPS 15 9550 has been nothing but a nightmare.

It's on battery #3 from the battery swelling issue, a lot of backlight bleed on the 4K Display, coil whine in the power supply (went through three of those), three DC jacks (might need to be a 4th soon), the infamous VRM/throttling issue, and to top it all off I had the main board replaced within the first two years because of a firmware problem preventing Windows from activating. Less of problem with the system itself, but during that mobo job Dell replaced the 512GB Samsung SSD with a Toshiba 1TB and R/W speeds dropped to ~1/3 of what they were before. Also anecdotal but a buddy of mine with a 9560 has gone through more or less the same issues, sans the firmware problem.

They look so appealing on paper (which is why I chose it over a MBP), but there's just something about them that feels proof-of-concept, like it's an unfinished product that was pushed out too quick. I wanted to give Dell another chance, having gone private three years before and having seemingly improved their build quality. When you spend $3800 on what is supposed to be the best-of-the-best and it turns out to be the headache of a lifetime, it leaves a really sour aftertaste.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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I'm excited for transparent OLED's simply so that laptops and monitors will be able to put the webcam behind the display, ~1/3 from the top. Then videoconferencing software can automatically move the image of the person you're talking to so their eyes are roughly centered on that point. And finally everyone gets to make direct eye contact again!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but would that work? I'm assuming (it wasn't clear) the goal there would be to display the person's whole face in a non-distracting way. But if the OLEDs are transparent and they're projecting the image that person's face, the projection would be both forwards and backwards, so the camera would just capture the space between that person's eyes instead of you.

Can transparent OLED's have a unidirectional display?

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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I really hope at some point they will have some pane available by the unit with normal retailer. I foresee some really cool HUD interface possible with a RPI :)

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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I'm excited for transparent OLED's simply so that laptops and monitors will be able to put the webcam behind the display, ~1/3 from the top. Then videoconferencing software can automatically move the image of the person you're talking to so their eyes are roughly centered on that point. And finally everyone gets to make direct eye contact again!

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/22/facetime-eye-cont...

Looks like eye contact correction will come earlier than a hardware upgrade.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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What was so bad about them?

Not the person you were replying to, but anecdotally my XPS 15 9550 has been nothing but a nightmare. It's on battery #3 from the battery swelling issue, a lot of backlight bleed on the 4K Display, coil whine in the power supply (went through three of those), three DC jacks (might need to be a 4th soon), the infamous VRM/throttling issue, and to top it all off I had the main board replaced within the first two years…

Wow, so it's not just the Precision models that are lottery. In my area of the company we mostly use DELL precision and I kid you not, every second one (Precision 7550) has some sort of a problem. They vary from the ones that give you blue screen of death, throttling issue in CAD/CAE software ect.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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I'm excited for transparent OLED's simply so that laptops and monitors will be able to put the webcam behind the display, ~1/3 from the top. Then videoconferencing software can automatically move the image of the person you're talking to so their eyes are roughly centered on that point. And finally everyone gets to make direct eye contact again!

A much more general solution would be a neural net that can alter gaze. Integrate with eye tracking and it becomes even better. Only the user you are looking at would see your direct gaze. Other users would see you looking towards the user you are looking at.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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Yes I can see the discussion at hardware manufacturers now. Marketing: 'So, we can monitor users and collect sellable data through a camera hidden behind their monitor?' Engineer: 'Why yes, but maybe we should allow users to disable this through some kind of hardware switch. It could lead to potential privacy violations etc.' Marketing: 'If they turned it off could we still collect marketable data?' Engineer: 'Well n…

Ethical engineer: Not if you want anyone to keep working here. Also, it'll make the news. No.

Yeah 'ethical engineers'.

They exists don't get me wrong but you know plenty of engineers don't care or bother with more simple things like recycling, keeping themselfs in shape, working on their own mental health etc. etc.

There are plenty fish in the ocean which do not care or just never thought about the implications.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

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I'm excited for transparent OLED's simply so that laptops and monitors will be able to put the webcam behind the display, ~1/3 from the top. Then videoconferencing software can automatically move the image of the person you're talking to so their eyes are roughly centered on that point. And finally everyone gets to make direct eye contact again!

and here I am the simple science fiction fan who sees us closing in on the possibility of having large portions of our phones being wholly see through, so as with OLED televisions you tuck all your electronics at the bottom and the top half is glorious thin and soon transparent screen
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