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Re: Transparent OLEDs

#101

Post by KingOfCoders »

m463 wrote: post #99
KingOfCoders wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After a decade of hardware buttons that aren't, e.g. TV power buttons, I think for most people trust has sailed. It works if the company builds it's brand on it (Purism) but I would not trust a hardware switch from Lenovo or Dell.

Is dell as untrustworthy as lenovo? I do remember the lenovo driver that installed itself from the bios - even on a clean windows install - and would snoop for months and then silently uninstall itself. EDIT: here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Lenovo_Service_Engine However I have not heard much about dell.

I've owned a Dell XPS13 which was the crappiest product I've bought in a while. So I'd say the problem with Dell is more inablity vs. malicious intent.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#102

Post by grogenaut »

Impossible wrote: post #86
NoSorryCannot wrote: post #33

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Tangentially related, the "futuristic" displays in video games and movies and TV often look worse than what we'd see in real life. Sometimes it's a hologram, which would be cool even if the fidelity were a bit shit, but it's interesting that art directors make them pretty bad looking even in fiction, presumably as a cue to the viewer that it's a hologram. Any fiction that portrays holograms as opaque and convincing u…

I've heard, and the art director on the game followed the same philosophy, that art directors tend to make future tech look worse\glitchy on purpose so it's very clear to the audience that it's "tech". Technology that for all intents and purposes works mostly flawlessly looks a little too much like magic to audiences I guess? Like really you'd just want to have a person show up and look like they were there, but that…

isn't that like most episodes of STTNG? All the fuckups are becuse exceptional situations, usually involving tachyons.

Or many others did too. Earth Final Conflict for one, the hand tablets. Hell Tech works amazing in black mirror, one might argue WAY TOO WELL.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#103

Post by grogenaut »

hanniabu wrote: post #95
ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

For a long long time, science fiction movies have used transparent displays to seem more "futuristic." However, actual transparent displays have been underwhelming in practice. This technology is being use by Xaomi to make a "transparent TV"[1] which in theory you will be able to buy. (I realize that not all of these sorts of announcements survive until actual product shipment). It will be interesting to see one of t…

Well for one it would be great to place on mirrors to "try on" clothes, or any kind of augmented reality like that. They can also be placed on your windshield for directions and other info like your speed. Gaming monitors with "designer" internals so that when your screen is off you can see the cool inside, similar to some watches with exposed gears.

you don't need a mirror for that. Just use a camera and a tv.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#104

Post by JDW1023 »

m463 wrote: post #99
KingOfCoders wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After a decade of hardware buttons that aren't, e.g. TV power buttons, I think for most people trust has sailed. It works if the company builds it's brand on it (Purism) but I would not trust a hardware switch from Lenovo or Dell.

Is dell as untrustworthy as lenovo? I do remember the lenovo driver that installed itself from the bios - even on a clean windows install - and would snoop for months and then silently uninstall itself. EDIT: here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Lenovo_Service_Engine However I have not heard much about dell.

Alot of vendors (Lenovo[0], ASUS, Dell, ) are using Windows Platform Binary Table, WPBT (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18095848) to get the OS to execute binary. Dell seem to use it to load the Absolute's Lojack anti theft rootkit[1]. Also on Absolute's website there's a list[2] of manufacturers that are using Absolute Persistance[3].

[0]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/lenov...

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19800807

[2]: https://www.absolute.com/partners/device-compatibility/

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Home_%26_Office#Absol...

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#105

Post by rspicer »

joshlemer wrote: post #3
ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

For a long long time, science fiction movies have used transparent displays to seem more "futuristic." However, actual transparent displays have been underwhelming in practice. This technology is being use by Xaomi to make a "transparent TV"[1] which in theory you will be able to buy. (I realize that not all of these sorts of announcements survive until actual product shipment). It will be interesting to see one of t…

It would be cool if they could be used to implement a wearable HUD-style/face mask interface, like Google Glass but where the entire lens is the screen.

You end up needing more complex optics to focus the image comfortably onto your retina at a distance that feels comfortable. An OLED display on a glasses lens with no other optics would just look like a bright blur between you and the rest of the world.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#106

Post by moneywoes »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #101
m463 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is dell as untrustworthy as lenovo? I do remember the lenovo driver that installed itself from the bios - even on a clean windows install - and would snoop for months and then silently uninstall itself. EDIT: here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Lenovo_Service_Engine However I have not heard much about dell.

I've owned a Dell XPS13 which was the crappiest product I've bought in a while. So I'd say the problem with Dell is more inablity vs. malicious intent.

What was so bad about it?

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#107

Post by JoshTriplett »

grawprog wrote: post #85
m463 wrote: post #48

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I think one solution would be like a purism laptop (and upcoming phone) - hardware switches (they one for camera/mic, one for bt/wifi)

Yes I can see the discussion at hardware manufacturers now. Marketing: 'So, we can monitor users and collect sellable data through a camera hidden behind their monitor?' Engineer: 'Why yes, but maybe we should allow users to disable this through some kind of hardware switch. It could lead to potential privacy violations etc.' Marketing: 'If they turned it off could we still collect marketable data?' Engineer: 'Well n…

Ethical engineer: Not if you want anyone to keep working here. Also, it'll make the news. No.

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#108

Post by oivey »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #107
grawprog wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I can see the discussion at hardware manufacturers now. Marketing: 'So, we can monitor users and collect sellable data through a camera hidden behind their monitor?' Engineer: 'Why yes, but maybe we should allow users to disable this through some kind of hardware switch. It could lead to potential privacy violations etc.' Marketing: 'If they turned it off could we still collect marketable data?' Engineer: 'Well n…

Ethical engineer: Not if you want anyone to keep working here. Also, it'll make the news. No.

Many, many engineers driven more by money than they want to admit: “well if I don’t do it someone else will.”

Re: Transparent OLEDs

#109

Post by TeMPOraL »

grogenaut wrote: post #102
Impossible wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard, and the art director on the game followed the same philosophy, that art directors tend to make future tech look worse\glitchy on purpose so it's very clear to the audience that it's "tech". Technology that for all intents and purposes works mostly flawlessly looks a little too much like magic to audiences I guess? Like really you'd just want to have a person show up and look like they were there, but that…

isn't that like most episodes of STTNG? All the fuckups are becuse exceptional situations, usually involving tachyons. Or many others did too. Earth Final Conflict for one, the hand tablets. Hell Tech works amazing in black mirror, one might argue WAY TOO WELL.

Right. Tech in Star Trek is part of the world, protagonists are living and breathing it, so it's shown as mostly working and not exceptional to people on-screen. Still, usually the viewer is told that something is a piece of tech through sounds and blinking lights.

As for Star Trek holograms, when the episode doesn't want to "play for surprise", it usually briefly shows the hologram appearing - which uses its very specific VFX, so that it's immediately recognized as a hologram (and not confused with teleportation, which uses a different style of VFX).

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