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Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Do you have any idea how much utter garbage Google forces vendors to ship with a phone simply to have access to a web browser and the Play store? Or perhaps you're one of the lucky few who haven't been woken at 4am to an urgent notification: "YOUR PHONE HAS TOO MANY MEMES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DELETE MEMES?" Prohibitions on bloatware, my arse!

People often seem surprised when I tell them I sleep withy phone on silent and / or in flight mode. I believe I can even set some numbers to ring through silent, haven't tried it though. Sleep is precious.

Typically I sleep with the phone charging in a different room. Is that weird?

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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It would be pretty interesting if all Google had asked was to reduce the apk size by 10%.

Omg, user story “decimate the binary by next release”

As part of our TOS, we will triple-decimate your app fees.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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I think in the last thread a bunch of people were adamant Google wasn't a monopolist because plenty of phones shipped with app stores outside of Play. Seems like Google picks and chooses which of those are okay. It's time to stop lying: Google will absolutely abandon every single rule in the book to ensure they get 30% of Fortnite purchases. It's too lucrative, and Google is too greedy. This has nothing to do with sa…

did any of these alternatives also ship google play side by side with alternative stores? unless a company has a special deal with google, then it's either google or alternatives but not both. i think the only reason there could be a special deal is that google made some concessions when trying to convince a manufacturer to use android. but that would be an older deal.

> did any of these alternatives also ship google play side by side with alternative stores?

Yes. Samsung and LG have both.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #78

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Samsung can generally fight for special concessions because they're A. One of the largest OEMs and B. Actually have the technical capability, monetary resource, and customer loyalty necessary to fork or replace Android. Everyone else has really no choice, and Google gives them the my way or the highway approach.

even samsung is limited. they have their alternative OS, but they are not allowed to support android apps on that OS because that would violate their android license which they need on other devices. other alternative systems have more freedom than samsung because they are not bound by a license from google.

Samsung has the Galaxy Appstore on their Android devices.

> they have their alternative OS

This is Tizen, and it doesn't support Android apps at all. It's a completely different operating system, so not entirely clear why Sumsung would want Android apps on it.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Which apps specifically do you classify as "utter garbage"? Looking at my OnePlus, I can't see anything I'd call that. The most annoying part is that I can't completely uninstall Duo and Chrome, but neither one is on a garbage level, I just prefer alternatives. Otherwise... I think I used pretty much every other default app.

Pixel 3a. Google assistant. You can't disable it without breaking other things. You can't disable the shortcuts that open it without unnecessarily regressing the rest of the UI. It's bound to "swipe up from a corner" which is an action you accidentally perform on a semi-regular basis. It's utterly and completely useless (to me).

The whole reason I bought a Pixel is Google Assistant, so calling it bloatwear seems a stretch.

Also it doesn't seem bound like that on my phone.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #114
post #78

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even samsung is limited. they have their alternative OS, but they are not allowed to support android apps on that OS because that would violate their android license which they need on other devices. other alternative systems have more freedom than samsung because they are not bound by a license from google.

Samsung has the Galaxy Appstore on their Android devices. > they have their alternative OS This is Tizen, and it doesn't support Android apps at all. It's a completely different operating system, so not entirely clear why Sumsung would want Android apps on it.

> This is Tizen, and it doesn't support Android apps at all. It's a completely different operating system, so not entirely clear why Sumsung would want Android apps on it.

It would be impossible to launch a new platform without compatibility for existing apps. There's no way to gain enough developer mindshare to become a serious alternative otherwise.

Jolla had Android app compatibility from the launch in addition to the platform native apps, as they knew that's the only option really.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #114
post #78

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even samsung is limited. they have their alternative OS, but they are not allowed to support android apps on that OS because that would violate their android license which they need on other devices. other alternative systems have more freedom than samsung because they are not bound by a license from google.

Samsung has the Galaxy Appstore on their Android devices. > they have their alternative OS This is Tizen, and it doesn't support Android apps at all. It's a completely different operating system, so not entirely clear why Sumsung would want Android apps on it.

ok, i was not aware of the samsung galaxy app store. thank you. i do believe that this is on of their early deals however, and google would not make such a deal again.

tizen needs to support android because the tizen app market doesn't offer everything needed. some important apps are only on android. (namely chat apps for example. without those a phones usefulness is very limited) i had a tizen phone years ago. technically it was very nice, but not even having access to f-droid was a problem.

maybe samsung doesn't care, but as a consumer i do care.

technically it was possible to pack android apps into a wrapper to make them run on tizen. but it had to be done separately. a third-party service could do that, leaving samsung free from violating their android license.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #114

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Samsung has the Galaxy Appstore on their Android devices. > they have their alternative OS This is Tizen, and it doesn't support Android apps at all. It's a completely different operating system, so not entirely clear why Sumsung would want Android apps on it.

> This is Tizen, and it doesn't support Android apps at all. It's a completely different operating system, so not entirely clear why Sumsung would want Android apps on it. It would be impossible to launch a new platform without compatibility for existing apps. There's no way to gain enough developer mindshare to become a serious alternative otherwise. Jolla had Android app compatibility from the launch in addition to…

and jolla could do that because they didn't have an android license from google to begin with. tizen coudn't.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #30

I think in the last thread a bunch of people were adamant Google wasn't a monopolist because plenty of phones shipped with app stores outside of Play. Seems like Google picks and chooses which of those are okay. It's time to stop lying: Google will absolutely abandon every single rule in the book to ensure they get 30% of Fortnite purchases. It's too lucrative, and Google is too greedy. This has nothing to do with sa…

Apple and Google chiming together: "we're not a monopoly, we're a duopoly and that's perfectly legal"

In technical terms, they're not even a duopoly.

Apple has maybe 25% of the market. I say "maybe", because that percentage is decreasing every day. Especially globally. The reality of the situation is that Google is killing Apple in terms of marketshare. And Apple is eating Google in terms of profit. It's a situation that is a bit unprecedented.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Do you mean Allo? Duo is very much not discontinued.

It’s telling how Google has so many chat services and so many discontinued services that we can’t hope to keep track of them all.

https://killedbygoogle.com/
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