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Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

#101

I don't find it particularly interesting to argue over whether Google and/or Apple or Goople are monopolies/duopolies. I think however it is obvious that something has seriously pathologically gone wrong in the mobile software market and these two companies are behind it. I also don't think that appeals to "is that legal" are all that satisfying -- (Apple's free speech lets them silence whoever they wish, of course)…

> Why do I only have 2 choices? There’s an extremely high barrier to entry and people don’t have time to learn different operating systems.

Used to have windows phone as a choice, but never ever did google cooperate in getting something as major as YouTube on that platform.

(Yet Roku and more do.)

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #26

Interesting that AT&T and Samsung can collude to pre-install AT&T and Samsung bloat on my Galaxy S7 Edge Android device, but Fortnite couldn't collude with OnePlus to pre-install bloat? (Yes, I see that the carrier and the #1 Android phone seller are involved in one case and not the other, so the Samsung bloat is the more interesting case. If OnePlus were to write its own bloat-ware or acquire/merge-with Epic, would…

AFAIK they can pre-install Fortnite. Not, EPIC app store, which was what the deal seemed to be about.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of a shame the Ubuntu phone never really materialized. At one point a while back I put off a much needed upgrade from a nearly dead phone for about 6 months because their phone was supposed to be "any day now". I think the OS is still kicking around and technically not dead yet, but it's really hard to believe that it would be able to break into the OEM side of things at this point. If Microsoft couldn't bu…

You might be interested in the PinePhone https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ Here it is running phosh: https://youtu.be/mjaJJ6o-mbM It's pretty close to being a usable GNOME Linux phone

That's pretty great! I hope it gets some momentum and matures a bit. I don't insist on flag-ship level specs & polish, but this it looks a little rough around the edges for my taste.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #80

why aren't they like, suing sony for not letting you sideload games on playstation or nintendo for not letting you sideload games on the switch

Not Epic, but this has actually happened. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-03-29-fi-1120-s...

Didn't Tengen actually end up winning in the end?

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

#105
post #10

Hardware/OS vendors should not be allowed to include app stores out of the box, much less prevent sideloading. We'd be nowhere near where we are today if PCs couldn't run Linux, and earlier PCs couldn't run whatever you wanted from a floppy. The fact that consumers are lazy and stores are easy shouldn't prevent decisions beneficial to everyone.

I like the idea, but then you have specific-purpose hardware like game consoles, although they're becoming more general purpose devices so I see them less and less as an exception. But there's still other devices like Fitbits that I'm not so sure about.

It's just the same with consoles, the manufacturers sell them at a loss knowing they'll recover from game tax.

Which is why PC games outnumber console games by a huge factor. Walled gardens are everyone's liability.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #3

"Google prohibitions on bloatware hurt bloatware deal, claims bloatware vendor"

Do you have any idea how much utter garbage Google forces vendors to ship with a phone simply to have access to a web browser and the Play store? Or perhaps you're one of the lucky few who haven't been woken at 4am to an urgent notification: "YOUR PHONE HAS TOO MANY MEMES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DELETE MEMES?" Prohibitions on bloatware, my arse!

People often seem surprised when I tell them I sleep withy phone on silent and / or in flight mode.

I believe I can even set some numbers to ring through silent, haven't tried it though.

Sleep is precious.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

#107
post #10

Hardware/OS vendors should not be allowed to include app stores out of the box, much less prevent sideloading. We'd be nowhere near where we are today if PCs couldn't run Linux, and earlier PCs couldn't run whatever you wanted from a floppy. The fact that consumers are lazy and stores are easy shouldn't prevent decisions beneficial to everyone.

I have no idea who’s less wrong, Google or Epic, but I’m not sure I like your idea.

Smartphones and PDAs existed for couple decades now, I’ve got a first PDA in 2000 or so. For many years before iPhone they were very niche products

I’m not sure we had the explosion in popularity (followed by technical improvements of both hardware and software) had it not be the financial incentive from paid content, initially music, apps followed a year later. Hardware design, software development, and marketing are all very expensive, someone had to pay for them or the smartphones would stay being niche products for geeks and corporations.

If what you wrote in the comment would become a law, this would remove motivation to do investments like that.

Would be especially bad for game consoles. The hardware is often sold below the costs in the start of each lifecycle, then technical progress catches up bringing costs down, and vendors are getting their profits. Stores help as well. The strategy ain’t gonna work if the app.store is not linked to the hardware, as soon as the HW costs are down other people would offer compatible hardware for less money. Hardware compatibility within generation is another hard problem to solve.

About Linux, when Torvalds made it, PCs were expensive tools for business and engineers. If you’re a businessperson or engineer, you have access to comparable tools with smartphone hardware. Search the web for “qualcomm snapdragon single board computer” and you’ll find many. There’re even affordable options now, I have 2 single-board computers on my desk next to a bunch of other hardware, both were under $100.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do I only have 2 choices? There’s an extremely high barrier to entry and people don’t have time to learn different operating systems.

Used to have windows phone as a choice, but never ever did google cooperate in getting something as major as YouTube on that platform. (Yet Roku and more do.)

I left Windows Phone several years ago due to lack of apps. Recently I found the old phone in my home and played with it a bit. WP UI was awesome, I miss it. It was so clean, so easy to use, so beautiful. But the lack of apps really killed it.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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It’s kind of funny how negative/angry people are in the comments section right now, when the similarly ongoing discussion currently happening with Apple[0] has such a large set of apologists and adamant defenders. Cognitive dissonance much? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146987

Do you imagine that a significant percentage of HN people support the position of exactly one of {Apple, Google}? Give us some credit, please.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #3

"Google prohibitions on bloatware hurt bloatware deal, claims bloatware vendor"

I'm trying to parse if you're going after OnePlus, because they build pretty solid phones. Now of we we're taking about carriers we'd have a different conversation but as someone who's seen a lot of the mobile industry OnePlus is pretty decent on the bloatware in my book.

Lots of the HN crowd are Apple only users and their last Android experience was a 2012 Samsung so that's their point of reference.

Also, HN is also mostly American where carrier bloatware is the norm on Android, something I never saw in Europe.

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