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Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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why aren't they like, suing sony for not letting you sideload games on playstation or nintendo for not letting you sideload games on the switch

Not Epic, but this has actually happened.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-03-29-fi-1120-s...

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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The suit wasn't about their dominance in the PC operating systems market, it was about anticompetitive behavior to maintain that advantage against competitors, and anticompetitive behavior to gain advantages against competitors in other markets. Had the suit came earlier, we would not have been blessed with the decade of security vulnerabilities that plagued the desktop because Internet Explorer was tightly integrate…

In a world where OS/2 failed, Be wouldn’t have a chance. The biggest irony to Microsoft’s anti-competitive OEM practices is that they were unnecessary. The network effects of software compatibility proved sufficient to maintain their dominance. And their temporarily successful attempts to dominate the browser market failed to turn the open standards web platform into the Windows platform’s greatest competitor.

The network effects of software compatibility proved sufficient to maintain their dominance.

Before that point it was common for software to be ported to all the major platforms, so I don't think that caused their dominance, it just helped reinforce it.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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You're not an Android user, you're an Android used.

It's kind of a shame the Ubuntu phone never really materialized. At one point a while back I put off a much needed upgrade from a nearly dead phone for about 6 months because their phone was supposed to be "any day now". I think the OS is still kicking around and technically not dead yet, but it's really hard to believe that it would be able to break into the OEM side of things at this point. If Microsoft couldn't bu…

You might be interested in the PinePhone https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

Here it is running phosh: https://youtu.be/mjaJJ6o-mbM

It's pretty close to being a usable GNOME Linux phone

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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It is super worrying that in the 7 years nothing really changed for better in this regard, with Google only making things even less open and removing more user control.

And this was very much when Rubin was still at Google.

He was still at Google, but sidelined from Android into the robotics division, shortly after which he quit. Sure, it's speculation, but perhaps it was precisely because he disliked and objected to the direction Android was taking. Of course the timing isn't proof, but this article was written at nearly the exact time that he was shifted off of Android.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

#95

I think in the last thread a bunch of people were adamant Google wasn't a monopolist because plenty of phones shipped with app stores outside of Play. Seems like Google picks and chooses which of those are okay. It's time to stop lying: Google will absolutely abandon every single rule in the book to ensure they get 30% of Fortnite purchases. It's too lucrative, and Google is too greedy. This has nothing to do with sa…

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Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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> Why do I only have 2 choices? There’s an extremely high barrier to entry and people don’t have time to learn different operating systems.

The barrier to entry is not high. There used to be many more options for phone OS.

The barrier to entry is very high because for your OS to be able to compete, it has to support a similar app ecosystem. Getting most major app developers on board with supporting a new OS is pretty much impossible, especially given how many of them rely on Android or iOS specific software.

I don't think this is unique to mobile either - pretty much everyone uses Windows or Mac because those OS's support the software that they want to use (although with everything moving to the web this is going away to some degree). The main difference with mobile is that the expectation (or requirement, with Apple) is that you will install software through the app store rather than just downloading it from the internet like on desktop.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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> Why do I only have 2 choices? There’s an extremely high barrier to entry and people don’t have time to learn different operating systems.

The barrier to entry is not high. There used to be many more options for phone OS.

Microsoft Surface Duo is now taking pre-orders and it runs Android

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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It’s kind of funny how negative/angry people are in the comments section right now, when the similarly ongoing discussion currently happening with Apple[0] has such a large set of apologists and adamant defenders. Cognitive dissonance much?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146987

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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I think in the last thread a bunch of people were adamant Google wasn't a monopolist because plenty of phones shipped with app stores outside of Play. Seems like Google picks and chooses which of those are okay. It's time to stop lying: Google will absolutely abandon every single rule in the book to ensure they get 30% of Fortnite purchases. It's too lucrative, and Google is too greedy. This has nothing to do with sa…

I think we are missing the point here.

I might be wrong, but this is my take on this. Google has an agreement with OEM not to install any app store. What google objected was not default app of Fortnite. However, it was a Fornite's game store kind of.

Still Google does not object the user to install anything on their phone, though that is getting a bit difficult with Android 11.

TLDR; this article SEEMS to talk about Epic Games App Store, rather than Fortnite.

Re: Google forced OnePlus to decimate a Fortnite launcher deal, claims Epic Games

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post #37

I think in the last thread a bunch of people were adamant Google wasn't a monopolist because plenty of phones shipped with app stores outside of Play. Seems like Google picks and chooses which of those are okay. It's time to stop lying: Google will absolutely abandon every single rule in the book to ensure they get 30% of Fortnite purchases. It's too lucrative, and Google is too greedy. This has nothing to do with sa…

Their customers are not your right For example,you are not forbidden from developing for some random Linux distro They did not build their trust and ecosystem for free,so you should'nt have access to them for free 30% is not unreasonable,costs can be managed,since you are selling a digital product

> Their customers are not your right

> For example,you are not forbidden from developing for some random Linux distro

> They did not build their trust and ecosystem for free,so you should'nt have access to them for free

> 30% is not unreasonable,costs can be managed,since you are selling a digital product

If only Microsoft had been smart enough to demand a 30% cut of Netscape sales instead of going through all that trouble to create IE.

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