Epics making such a hard push onto getting a steam competitor running, and is taking such a big loss losing out on ios money even temporarily, I have to assume they're using fortnite to establish precedent than planning on opening a competing app store or something. They're milking fortnite to play the long game before fortnite stops wing as huge,I think
Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#352For those who are arguing that Apple should allow third party developers to have their own marketplace without Apple taking a cut, should: - Ebay allow for a third party marketplace to exist without them getting a cut? -PayPal, chase, stripe allow third party developers to offer up their own payment services without the respective companies take a cut? Also by the same token, Amazon is a monopoly by taking a percenta…
eBay and PayPal both have third party alternatives: simply going to a different website/app.
On iOS your only option is paying Apple $100/yr to do something similar.
A similar thing would be Google Chrome blocking access to PayPal servers because they didn’t get a 10% cut of all transactions.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#353For those who are arguing that Apple should allow third party developers to have their own marketplace without Apple taking a cut, should: - Ebay allow for a third party marketplace to exist without them getting a cut? -PayPal, chase, stripe allow third party developers to offer up their own payment services without the respective companies take a cut? Also by the same token, Amazon is a monopoly by taking a percenta…
you’re comparing hardware to software which i don’t think is fair. apple creates the marketplace, the OS, and the hardware. it’s a much more complex issue which is more analogous to if windows required all users to use internet explorer, which we know is monopolistic. there’s also much more friction switching software like stripe than hardware like your iphone
I'm not sure why it's not the same. Apple could just sell the hardware. Here Apple is selling the hardware and providing a marketplace for apps. There is virtually no difference between the App Store and using the browser to buy things from Amazon. The argument is that Apple should provide the ability to sell things on the App Store with out a cut. Amazon by the same argument should be forced to do the same.
You can argue that Amazons web Shopping market share is larger than Apple's cellphone market share and should be subject to the same monopoly regulation.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#354You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…
Let‘s take the example of an autonomous car. Would you also argue that you have the right to run any software on it? Looking a bit further down the line toward a society with more prevalent and powerful AI there will need to be some kind of certification that the software you are running is safe. It will be almost impossible to enforce this without the help of device manufacturers who will be mandated to only run saf…
We are just talking about handheld personal computers. I don‘t know why people always try to come up with car comparisons when its really about computers, but: You already can modify your car today, including the (engine) software, but have to make sure it is still street legal. I sure can imagine certifications for autonomous cars and their software. So if you can and want to tinker with it, be prepared to pay for the certification to keep it street legal.
I won‘t argue about the rest of your comment about AI, as I think this leads to discussing castles in the air.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#355I don't see the problem, Epic explicitly went around the app store's payment process and terms of service. It's within Apple's right to pull Fortnite. They are also suing Apple as well. Why should Epic get a “special arrangement” from all other developers? If you don't like the terms, then don't be on the Apple App store, but of course your missing a huge swath of the population thus the 30% fee. Being on the App sto…
As a consumer, why can't there be an alternative App Store on IoS if I don't like the Apple terms? Apple shouldn't force consumers and developers to provide them with 30%.
No one forced you to be an Apple consumer.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#356> “Apple, Google, and Android manufacturers make vast, vast profits from the sale of their devices and do not in any way justify the 30 percent cut.”
> Epic launched a game store on PC in which it takes only 12 percent of revenue as a way to try to encourage a similar change in competitor Valve’s Steam marketplace.
"Do not in any way"?
Well, in at least 12% of a way, right, Epic?
And Apple, after acquiring you a new customer by selling them an ecosystem, drops 30% to 15% in year two. So, Epic, you're quibbling over 3% which -- I've seen theirs, and I've seen yours, and it's more than 3% difference in value.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#357For those who are arguing that Apple should allow third party developers to have their own marketplace without Apple taking a cut, should: - Ebay allow for a third party marketplace to exist without them getting a cut? -PayPal, chase, stripe allow third party developers to offer up their own payment services without the respective companies take a cut? Also by the same token, Amazon is a monopoly by taking a percenta…
eBay and PayPal both have third party alternatives: simply going to a different website/app. On iOS your only option is paying Apple $100/yr to do something similar. A similar thing would be Google Chrome blocking access to PayPal servers because they didn’t get a 10% cut of all transactions.
The browser is the same exact thing. Apple does not prevent you from using the same banking, shopping, email services through the web.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#358Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.
Apple says they do it because of security reasons. Windows' open and liberal way of doing things made it a fertile ground for millions of viruses. But I still think every OS should be open for developing and distribution of software no matter how serious malware threat is.
windows, is based because of the underlying os system fundamentals. once you've sandboxing in place. i.e apps are restricted to user level. then malware becomes something of the past.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#359For those who are arguing that Apple should allow third party developers to have their own marketplace without Apple taking a cut, should: - Ebay allow for a third party marketplace to exist without them getting a cut? -PayPal, chase, stripe allow third party developers to offer up their own payment services without the respective companies take a cut? Also by the same token, Amazon is a monopoly by taking a percenta…
Hardware/OS != Software/App/Website
I would agree with you except this is not what the lawsuit is about. It's very clearly about Epic Games ability to sell things without going through Apple in the App Store.
If the lawsuit is about installing any software you want on iOS, then you are right and my analogy is faulty.
Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
#360fortnite is a drug anyway. my kid is a freaking zombie from that stupid game.