Can the developer still update their app, or is it stuck in update limbo?
Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store
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Separate hardware and software. If you buy an iPhone, you have the right to put whatever software you want on it. Similarly - Apple can restrict whatever software they provide to you on those devices in return. Future software updates, App store, iCloud etc.
The problem is that a lot of people actually like how hard it is to sideload content onto an iPhone, because it effectively bricks stolen ones, which is a pretty good deterrent.
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Try playing Minecraft between your non-Windows 10 PC and anything mobile, or between anything and a Mac.
Java edition will work on all x86 machines
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Even worse. Imagine if the World Wide Web was not open and you had to go through a closed WWW like AOL and websites were "under review" by the providers and would take a 30% cut of your revenues or clicks on your web app or subscription service and websites require going only through that provider. Thank goodness that wasn't the case.
It could be the case if AMP grows dominant; given the market share of Google Search, it could be enough to create a controlled (er, "curated") web in a similar spirit.
App Stores suck. App Stores with no side-loading are even worse. Platforms that are locked down so much that you can't even install your own OS are worse.
We used to bitch about Tivoization on HN all the time, it seems post iPhone, everyone seems A-OK.
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#296You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…
OTOH, the thing about Epic is I think they're incredibly generous with their developers and with their customers. You can play Fortnite for free, and are only charged if you want to buy a vanity item. And if you develop using Unreal Engine, you're only charged if you literally make millions of dollars. I can see being pissed off at Apple for being incredibly rapacious, wrecking their standing with developers, and undermining their own platform. I, for one, will never develop for Apple again after awful experiences with two apps I developed for their store.
Ultimately, IMO Apple is hurting themselves very badly, but I think it might be their right to do so.
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I fear that macOS is going this way. The amount of hoops to jump through to run third party apps seems to grow with every release.
You literally just right click and open. Hardly a hoop.
I believe the defaults now extend to software sourced outside of the app store must still be notarized by Apple. This impacts developers more than consumers I would guess, but certainly requires more effort from developers to create and distribute software.
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#298A $1000+ device with a moniker "Pro" is not a console. If you're trying to sell me the concept that something is "Pro" to be used for work, and can even replace a laptop, don't try to tell me its equivalent to a games console.
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#299I’m just hoping they don’t force Apple to open the iPhones. I really don’t want to deal with having to “redo” phones for family members regularly.
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I hope it does. Monopolies lead to stagnation, rising prices, and inferior product quality. Even though Apple is not a monopoly in the strict sense, I think we consumers will benefit from alternative app store - or Apple opening up the platform. I believe one can still have (moderately) secure ecosystem without it being a walled garden.
If you have an iPhone the Appstore is unquestionably a monopoly. At least Google can make the case you can install other app stores so the monopoly claim is weaker.
Does Apple also have a monopoly on writing the OS that runs on iPhones?
Do they also have a monopoly on creating the iPhone hardware? And choosing what they write in press releases?