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Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

#341

Maybe the Apple cut is too high, but I don't think it's unreasonable for them to take some cut. They are providing the distribution platform to get your app to millions of users, it's not free for them to provide that service. They have their own server, bandwidth and employee costs too.

If this was Microsoft Windows I am sure you would have your pitchforks ready. Just rephrase your statement with Windows and you'd see the absurd of your statement.

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Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

#342

This puts Apple in a very tough spot. Last week, Tim Cook was questioned in an antitrust hearing re: Apple's anticompetitive practices (along with Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai). The spotlight is already pointing right at them, so any move they make here is going to be noticed by lawmakers. If they remove Fortnite from the App Store, Apple will probably be seen as the bad guy. After all, Epic is not…

As a user, I'm torn. I want to see enough pressure put on Apple that their app store cut is reduced, and ideally (though somewhat unrelated to this) the store experience for users improves. But I definitely don't want to see more stores or payment methods for digital goods on my i-devices.

>I definitely don't want to see more stores or payment methods for digital goods on my i-devices.

Why don't you not use it or go elsewhere then? Everyone who uses iPhone to play games just got told to switch to Android. It's easy to switch!

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

#343
If fortnite had an alternative payment method that wasn't exposed in the iOS app (e.g. only on the web, but you would buy credits that you could use in the app) then I don't see how Apple would have a leg to stand on.

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can install software from other sources just fine. Doesn't have to be the same software. But why is having the Epic store such a problem?

He wasn’t saying the store was a problem, he was saying that having the store with titles you have an exclusive license to is a problem.

>No matter who wins between Epic and Apple human people lose. They're both walled garden monopolists.

This was the comparison, which is obviously wrong. Apple has a monopoly and a walled garden. Neither does Epic have a monopoly with their store, nor a walled garden, as the PC is not a walled garden.

So, no. There was nothing said about exclusives.

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

#345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fandango does not provide physical goods. You can buy movies (not just tickets) on Fandango.

Maybe you're thinking of FandangoNOW? AFAIK Fandango does not let you 'buy movies'.

FandangoNow was once part of the Fandango app before they broke it out (at least on Android).

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

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post #310

Epic: Apple employs anti-competitive, anti-consumer practices, and we're fighting against that! Also Epic: We'll be locking as many games as we can afford behind Epic Store exclusive contracts since our store isn't good enough to compete with Steam on functionality or price.

Epic isn't forcing developers to put their game on the Epic store.

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

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post #102

This puts Apple in a very tough spot. Last week, Tim Cook was questioned in an antitrust hearing re: Apple's anticompetitive practices (along with Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai). The spotlight is already pointing right at them, so any move they make here is going to be noticed by lawmakers. If they remove Fortnite from the App Store, Apple will probably be seen as the bad guy. After all, Epic is not…

I'm scared of that though. Although on one end I would like to buy my kindle books straight from the app and play xcloud games, I'm thinking of the dodgier companies. Right now I have little to worry about when I leave my kid playing a game, all the payment need to go through Apple or at least the offending app will not stay up for too long. I want Apple to be forced to come up with a fairer solution (eg: same api, b…

Those who would give up freedom over safety something something..

Should every Apple user have to be tied down to Apple Store because kids and grannies can be dummies when downloading apps? Surely it should be easy to put parental controls and block all the dodgy apps and so forth. So things can stay the same for those who wish to remain in the App Store while having the ability to exercise your personal freedom to decide which apps you want to install on a device you own and paid good money for.

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason I use an iPhone is that it doesn’t allow side loading out side of development applications and has a curated closed store. I want an ecosystem that works and I can rely on including knowing that little to no one can side load a malicious application onto the device. I’m also very well aware of the fact that while Apple scalps developers it’s also the reason why my devices get security updates for 6 ye…

> I want an ecosystem that works and I can rely on including knowing that little to no one can side load a malicious application onto the device. I don't understand this, can you explain why? As long as you don't sideload on your own phone, why would having the option be a problem?

Because having that options undermines the trust model of the device I am using and more importantly of the devices of others I communicate with.

And yes I do have different policies for sharing info with people on Android vs iPhones.

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut... For games, 30% is not unusual for distribution.

That didn't really answer or even address my question. :)

Fair, I was responding only to the "If that is true..." part

Re: Epic direct payment on mobile

#350

This puts Apple in a very tough spot. Last week, Tim Cook was questioned in an antitrust hearing re: Apple's anticompetitive practices (along with Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai). The spotlight is already pointing right at them, so any move they make here is going to be noticed by lawmakers. If they remove Fortnite from the App Store, Apple will probably be seen as the bad guy. After all, Epic is not…

As a user, I'm torn. I want to see enough pressure put on Apple that their app store cut is reduced, and ideally (though somewhat unrelated to this) the store experience for users improves. But I definitely don't want to see more stores or payment methods for digital goods on my i-devices.

In my opinion, more competition is better for the consumer, even if these is a slight hit to convenience. That's simply the nature of more choices -- the freedom to choose results in the burden of choosing.

But obviously I cannot make a blanket statement on all consumers since many of them do value a small increase in convenience very highly.

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