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Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Damn work has always been the easiest part in life, I mean as long as I can find one. And once I get a job I won't worry too much about bills.

But infection and school...I have no control over them. They control me, and definitely I'm going to be more worried about them. Same for kids and family.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…

> I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different species when it comes to covid. Well, it's not that surprising when you have a disease whose harm factor is a function of your age. The vast majority of covid deaths are the elderly. The tiniest minority of covid deaths are young children. Their ability to spread to adults is their biggest risk factor, not the disease itself.

Sure, but they can pass it as easily as an adult can (saw a recent paper that said that children under 5 have higher viral loads than adults so they might actually be more infectious). There's a myth that kids can't pass it, but it's only a myth.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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The study doesn't say how many of the respondents still have jobs. If I have a steady job, then of course I will worry more about my kids -- because I don't don't have to worry about the bills! If you have kids you will worry about their safety. If you lost your job, you may still worry about their safety more than your bills, since you know that the bills can always be dealt with later. This survey seems quite flawe…

Yup! I’m equally worried about my kids and bringing home the bacon because my travel industry employer is going out of business and I still haven’t found a new job.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…

It's all about risk. Humans are terrible at understanding probability. There must be a threshold where it becomes ok to take on the risk (e.g. driving a car everyday for most Americans). So where is that threshold?

Another way to think about it is, what do we do if we learn that the pandemic will not end for the next 10 years? What activities do we allow and under what new mode of operation / conditions?

It might be the case that opening schools for younger ages with 2 shifts to reduce density (2 weeks in person, 2 weeks from home) could have an acceptable risk profile.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

#35

Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…

> some people are acting like kids are a different species when it comes to covid

I mean, that point of view was literally expressed in a public forum by the president of the United States. It must carry weight in some circles at least.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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I wish there was more conversation happening about other countries who have already successfully put kids back at school. That might give confidence to people in North America who feel uncertain about it.

Those countries have been more successful overall in limiting the spread of covid. In the US it's pretty much out of control in many areas. You can send kids back to school if community spread is limited and you can do effective contact tracing - but neither of those things is true in the US.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

#37

Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…

It’s impossible to force a parent into the choice between working a life-threatening job interacting with the public or eviction so long as they have a child at home.

The parent will not abandon the child home alone to go to work, no matter how big the stick.

School being effectively state subsidized working hours daycare, it must resume before low wage workers can once again be coerced back into risking their lives to avoid homelessness.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

#38

Damn work has always been the easiest part in life, I mean as long as I can find one. And once I get a job I won't worry too much about bills. But infection and school...I have no control over them. They control me, and definitely I'm going to be more worried about them. Same for kids and family.

Yeah, I think the lack of control is a key observation here. I bet most people would tell you they're more scared of plane crashes than car accidents, even though most people are at much larger risk of a car accident.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…

> Yes they have less effects than adults but some children do go to the hospital and ICU You see this kind of vague claim online all the time when it comes to COVID but with no actual data. What are the actual risks of a child going to the hospital as a result of COVID infection? How does that compare to other risks that you regularly expose your kids to?

The risk in children is from diabetes and metabolic syndrome, conversely what protects children most is a relatively well functioning immune system.

As we've seen that coronavirus immunity is enhanced with exposure to other coronaviruses, and innate immune system function, it appears children should not be isolated. By this rationale, they shouldn't even be wearing masks.

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