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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by swyx »

AnonHP wrote: post #316
swyx wrote: post #236

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ok for those who were as obsessed with this as i was... I took the base SVG and cleaned up the CSS to try to understand what was going on with the animations minimal repro: https://svelte.dev/repl/7eea2eba3707414aa62c9ea53b92ad2d?ver... quick youtube discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wKnZNjdpp8&feature=youtu.be I didn't get everything bc you can only get so far looking at the output CSS - he used Stylus he…

Nice breakdown, thank you. This had me in splits: >> “ Yup, had to get it out quick so I went simple!“ > “What the actual fuck?!”

i mean... am i wrong? lol

thanks

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by fishmaster »

toofy wrote: post #301
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #234

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Because “Let’s talk on zoom” is any better? :)

zoom has already become a verb. honestly, i was aok with riot as a name being a barrier to entry, i’m fully convinced at this point that barriers to entry somewhat mitigate against eternal september and the toxicity which follows with it. take irc, while it certainly has toxicity issues, the esoteric nature kept the worst away. so even if element, as a name, adds to keeping it low enough profile to keep it from becom…

I don't quite understand this need to make everything into a verb that americans seem to have. "Let's zoom", really? In germany it's just "let's write in WhatsApp/Telegram/Facebook/Signal/etc.".

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by Arathorn »

kgraves wrote: post #246
Arathorn wrote: post #76

Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec…

Arathorn, just curious who chose the name 'Element'? Do you think it's too late to change it? Did you do user research studies on the name, if so what was the results from those studies?

> Arathorn, just curious who chose the name 'Element'?

I did, alongside a few others from the team.

> Do you think it's too late to change it?

Yup :)

> Did you do user research studies on the name

Yup.

> if so what was the results from those studies?

Broadly positive.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by fishmaster »

IgorPartola wrote: post #244
doublerabbit wrote: post #171

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I've been trying to get people to join "element" but it just makes the whole chat sound awkward "Hey, want to join me on element? compared to "hey, want to join me on riot". Element just doesn't have the same ring and sounds less exciting and dull. It's not even listed in search engines, especially DDG, so I then have to give them the URL which adds to the awkwardness. It was a bad move in my opinion. Sure sure, the…

It’s a terrible name. I have forgotten it three times already since they’ve changed it and I was actually trying to pay attention to their project. And just now reading about it, it took me a minute to remember what Element was referring to. It’s not too late, change it again! Pick any element that’s easy to spell off the periodic table and go with that: Vanadium, Thorium, Boron, hell even Helium. Or go with a conduc…

I think I'd like Cloak for a secure messenger. Or Cape. I don't know, I find Element very generic.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by fishmaster »

vbezhenar wrote: post #286
doublerabbit wrote: post #171

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I've been trying to get people to join "element" but it just makes the whole chat sound awkward "Hey, want to join me on element? compared to "hey, want to join me on riot". Element just doesn't have the same ring and sounds less exciting and dull. It's not even listed in search engines, especially DDG, so I then have to give them the URL which adds to the awkwardness. It was a bad move in my opinion. Sure sure, the…

Isn’t it more appropriate to say “join me on matrix”? Element is just one of the clients.

But for non-tech users you have to mention an app they can install to message you. Then we're back to Element.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by fishmaster »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #204
Arathorn wrote: post #166

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We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)

The UI is constantly getting better and its way better than where it was a few years ago. Its at the point where I find its usable but not as nice as things like telegram.

For me, Telegram is almost perfect when it comes to usability. Gifs, stickers, being able to send videos (as opposed to WhatsApp), setting a background for chats, etc.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by IgorPartola »

fishmaster wrote: post #324
IgorPartola wrote: post #244

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It’s a terrible name. I have forgotten it three times already since they’ve changed it and I was actually trying to pay attention to their project. And just now reading about it, it took me a minute to remember what Element was referring to. It’s not too late, change it again! Pick any element that’s easy to spell off the periodic table and go with that: Vanadium, Thorium, Boron, hell even Helium. Or go with a conduc…

I think I'd like Cloak for a secure messenger. Or Cape. I don't know, I find Element very generic.

Caper!

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by scarface74 »

tambourine_man wrote: post #306
khaidardotco wrote: post #250

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Well, the key is that you trade your time for something and — if it is indeed harder to find a fulfilling work — you wish to maximize that something in a time you do work in order to be able to allocate more time towards more satisfactory ends.

I tried something like that. What happened was that the free time I had left was completely unproductive. Doing unfulfilling work is exhausting, turns out. Not saying I have all the answers, just what happened to me. This fulfilling thing is hard.

Billions of people go to work everyday without doing it out of “passion”.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by scarface74 »

Bnshsysjab wrote: post #176
chrisseaton wrote: post #161

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Right - most people just want to feed their kids first and worry about other things later. I think the idea that most Mozilla employees were working there for morals rather than being able to buy their children shoes is doubtful.

If I were to work there it wouldn’t be so much to be an open source contributor but to be at the core of modern web. I don’t have kids so I don’t know what that part is like, though.

The modern web where less than 10% will use it? How is that “the core”?

That’s like saying that working at Apple and being on the macOS team you will be part of the core of PC operating systems.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by jtsiskin »

anoncake wrote: post #37
jtsiskin wrote: post #35

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It’s easier to make change from the inside than out. I imagine more Mozillians probably means a stronger push towards E2E encryption, more data controls, stronger auditing, etc.

Facebook is not a democracy. There can be no change from the inside.

Even a dictatorship has middle managers
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