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Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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Not overreach, it's solidarity. As was stated in the article, there is no government mandated minimum wage in Sweden as most jobs that would be covered under a minimum wage are negotiated union wages. Union members looking out for other union members, that way all workers benefit in the end.

Should the tax office employees not process their tax declaration either? I mean, solidarity.

Sure? Is the objection just that you'd prefer laws to social pressure?

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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“The Swedish model” is to put laws like this in place mostly to level the negotiation positions of the parties. What rules to actually apply is expected to be negotiated between the unions and the employers on top of that. (As a side note the current government is actually just about to abolish one of the corner stones of those laws (“LAS”, the law of employment protection). Due to a deal they cut with the opposition…

I’m not sure it’s really a corner stone. Saltsjöbadsavtalen and the Swedish model of collective bargaining came much earlier. Amuingly, LAS was introduced by a liberal goverment against the protests of the social democrats who felt that it infringed on the bargaining power of the unions.

Ok, I guess that makes more sense then. I was really surprised to see S (LO) agree to that deal.

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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Aren’t amazon reviews one of the most gamed review system ever? Also, stock co-mingling. That alone makes me buy as little from amazon and as much from elsewhere as I can.

It's less of an issue on the EU side of Amazon. The search engine being cluttered by Chinese shit is just as bad, though.

That cluttering and dumping of tons of similar indistinguishable products under different sellers really annoys me. Another annoyance even when I do shop in those redundant product categories is that they don't even upload reallife photos of their products but these lowsy idealized CGI photos that give no sense to the quality or actual appearance of the item.

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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This sounds like a political system for people that actually works for people not against them.

It has adverse effects, the unemployment rate and particularly the youth unemployment rate are quite high in Sweden (pre-covid). Indeed, the median disposable income per person (adjusted for purchasing power) in the US is almost $20,000 higher than in Sweden, even after further adjustments for transfers in kind received by households, such health or education provided for free or at reduced prices by government and N…

>Indeed, the median disposable income per person (adjusted for purchasing power) in the US is almost $20,000 higher than in Sweden

I don't know, that sounds off to me. I have seen article about US preparedness for covid, and it said that some crazy percentage of people have no more than $1000 in savings. It was something around 40%.

Maybe this $20,000 higher than in Sweden, is result of median outliers ultra rich that push the true average income of an average person.

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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Sweden and Finland are pretty alike, but Sweden's system has a bit less political interference compared to how it's here in Finland. The ruling Social Democratic Party has strong ties with the unions though.

They have traditional strong ties to one subset of the unions, the LO ones. But it's complex: LO is often openly critical of the (ruling) Social Democratic Party. At the same time a large chunk of the actual union members are voting for a different party, often one in opposition to the Social Democrats.

Yeah, my experiences with Swedish unions is definitely a bit dated, but I guess SD's growth is messing things up a bit, especially in LO?

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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Aren’t amazon reviews one of the most gamed review system ever? Also, stock co-mingling. That alone makes me buy as little from amazon and as much from elsewhere as I can.

I feel like to stock co-mingling issue is far less pronounced in Europe compared to what the American crowd here on HN says. I live in Europe, and never got a fake product from Amazon.

I have received a few fake products from Amazon UK. Most of them were counterfeit books though

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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> Initially, Swedish and Nordic clients will be mainly served from German warehouses — known as fulfillment centers in Amazon-speak — with trucks driving up to Sweden through Denmark, and a fulfillment center operated by local partner Kuehne + Nagel in the Swedish town of Eskilstuna, near Stockholm. During the lockdown here in France Amazon was forced to close some warehouses and filfillment centers under pressure fr…

I wish Amazon UK would send from the continent when items are not in stock. I had to wait three months to get a Spacegrey Magic Trackpad from them while it was in stock all the time in Amazon DE, NL, FT.

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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They have traditional strong ties to one subset of the unions, the LO ones. But it's complex: LO is often openly critical of the (ruling) Social Democratic Party. At the same time a large chunk of the actual union members are voting for a different party, often one in opposition to the Social Democrats.

Yeah, my experiences with Swedish unions is definitely a bit dated, but I guess SD's growth is messing things up a bit, especially in LO?

It is. The LO union members are the ones with the most to loose with a workforce surplus that comes with more immigration (really refugee asylum, traditional immigration is on about the same levels as ever). The Alliance (center-right, when it existed) recogniced this and made the traditionally left humanitarian stance their own. This backfired in a spectacular way when the alt-right wave swept the world. SD takes voters from both blocks.

Re: Amazon’s business model meets Sweden’s labor unions

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The fines were enormous for every violation, and EU courts have been doing billion dollar fines of these companies - why in the world would you operate one warehouse doing 10% volume (90% shutdown already) facing huge fines? They complied with the law and shut down. This further limited covid risks for their workers.

No, they were caught not complying with the law and were threaten with fines. At which point they decided to finally comply with the law by shutting down. BIG difference.

Got it. I'm in the US - there have been boycotts every year of Amazon but they have grown to be pretty large here. How are they doing in france? It seems their model may be less successful there especially if there is more willingness to boycot.
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