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NSA Owns Everything (2015)

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#191

Not really many relevant comments in this thread. Everyone seems to have read the first sentence (if even), interpreted it as 'why did no one think the NSA was hacking?', and responded. It's a shame, this is a great piece, I think. The question is, with all of these companies performing IR, why didn't they see mass exfiltration and C2? I think the article lays out largely correct claims. I personally would imagine (2…

Also, in our defense, we wrote this in 2015 :)

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

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post #5

The basic premise is false. > "Why did we never see it coming?" Many people saw it coming. I was warning about the possibility of dragnet surveillance, the existence of ECHELON, the use of the American security apparatus to steal trade secrets, the surveillance of non-American politicians, et al... For many, many years before Snowden. And I'm just some rando on the internet who follows the mainstream news! We were ca…

Your comment resonates deep with me.

Although I will shamefully admit that I was one of the naysayers. I might have even called someone a Conspiracy Nut in a prior conversation, with my perception of the person being obsessed with potential NSA spying / collection.

Oh, how wrong I was.

Side note: I find it interesting that a period of time developed where any type of deep curiosity into government activity was enough to get oneself stamped as a Conspiracy Nut. If I were the person pumping these narratives and troupes out, I'd be very happy with my result, in retrospect.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#193
In practice Indian/Chinese bot networks control the Google rankings and thus entire industries, not Google/NSA.

It's not just corona crisis that's hurting western economies.

edit: why down vote? We can pretend negative SEO networks don't exist on a massive scale, but that wouldn't be truth.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#194

The Snowden stuff was the event that shook me to my core. I was a happy technologist till then, thinking that such was the nature of life and progress simply was unfolding in front of me. However, the way the event was covered by the media - told a different story. The media focussed on the man rather than the info he provided, so the conversation was 'where was he?', 'where was his girlfriend?', etc - that told me e…

> Why would "they" create Snowden?

If it was an affair beneficial to NSA, please elaborate why non-US state actors didn't have their own Snowdens?

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#195

Not really many relevant comments in this thread. Everyone seems to have read the first sentence (if even), interpreted it as 'why did no one think the NSA was hacking?', and responded. It's a shame, this is a great piece, I think. The question is, with all of these companies performing IR, why didn't they see mass exfiltration and C2? I think the article lays out largely correct claims. I personally would imagine (2…

> The question is, with all of these companies performing IR, why didn't they see mass exfiltration and C2? 1. Good tradecraft means that, except for skilled IR folk, they wouldn't see mass exfil/C2. 2. American IR companies know what side of their bread is buttered on. From both employees' personal allegiances to their former employers and the company's active government contracts, there's not a lot of incentive to…

How would they know it’s their own government? If the NSA were in the habit of leaving calling cards, then sure some info-sec people might keep quiet out of patriotism, but others would be screaming from the rooftops about proof of conspiracy.

More likely, as the author mentions, the NSA disguises its attacks as less sophisticated than they really are.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I downvoted you. Normally I don't bother explaining why a low content post was downvoted, but whatever, I'm here. 1. Even if you were right it doesn't matter. Coming to the comments to split semantics while obviously missing the point of the entire article is adding incredible noise. There was more than one sentence in the article and more than enough context to forgive an ambiguous or even incorrect sentence. 2.…

> Even if you were right it doesn't matter. Coming to the comments to split semantics while obviously missing the point of the entire article is adding incredible noise. I didn't 'come to the comments to split semantics', nor did I say anything at all about the rest of the article. I simply replied to an already existing discussion about the meaning of a phrase. Describing that one short post as "incredible noise" is…

> I didn't 'come to the comments to split semantics', nor did I say anything at all about the rest of the article. I simply replied to an already existing discussion about the meaning of a phrase.

Yeah, only one person needs to start the semantics-splitting topic and the rest of the lazy uninformative pseudo-discussion just flows from there, with every other guy adding one short harmless post. That’s how we get completely-derailed garbage threads like this. (Did I participate in the thread? Yes. Though in my defense I was trying to impress on people that this kind of thing should not happen.)

“Nor did I say anything at all about the rest of the article” — that should probably have tipped you off in a small way about the value of your addition.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

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post #132

I’m really interested in how low level the hacking is, specifically network card and hard disk firmware. Does anyone have breakdowns of how these work or copies seen in the wild? I particularly liked the bit in the article about hiding data in packets intended for other hosts and harvesting them through passive relays. Is there a way to detect this sort of thing? Is everything really compromised?

> Is everything really compromised? Given the documents and budgets which have leaked so far - it seems more sensible to assume that all hardware & software is compromised until proven otherwise. From the limited information provided so far we can see that if you use any Intel CPU, any Seagate/Hitachi/Fujitsu/Samsung hard drive, any version of windows, most commercially available routers, notepad++, or VLC - the NSA…

If only it were so easy. With the backdoors in all our hands, we could find them.

Rather, the NSA has the capability to subvert these things. Sometimes before they reach you, sometimes remotely. But you’d be “lucky” to come across one where they’ve actually done it.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#198
post #18

2. You thought they were someone else Attribution in the cyberspace is still pretty shaky, even though there have been some high profile accusations flying around lately. Sometimes you see links being drawn to GRU on the basis of things like some executable having a compile time matching to a Russian time zone or a file being last modified by a user called "Dmitry." Seeing as the IC cyber business is already murky as…

> I think only the PLA plays with slightly more open cards, mostly because they just don't give a damn about being caught. This tactic was invented by the KGB. It's not that they don't care, it's that if it looks like you did it, and there was no apparent attempt to conceal that it was you, then it actually seems more like you were framed by someone else and you didn't do it. In other words, the truth acts like its o…

I always assumed that the KGB/FSB were and are so brazen because the state wants you to know about and fear its power.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#199

The Snowden stuff was the event that shook me to my core. I was a happy technologist till then, thinking that such was the nature of life and progress simply was unfolding in front of me. However, the way the event was covered by the media - told a different story. The media focussed on the man rather than the info he provided, so the conversation was 'where was he?', 'where was his girlfriend?', etc - that told me e…

> Why would "they" create Snowden? If it was an affair beneficial to NSA, please elaborate why non-US state actors didn't have their own Snowdens?

I don't even see the geo-political situation in terms of US or non-US. Or rather, its not a meaningful distinction to make. They are really just administrative regions for a One World Order administered by supra-national bodies such as the UN, WHO. Ie a bunch or organisations that no one voted for yet seem to have the hands on the levers of power. And it seems that "they" are shifting focus to the Chinese autocratic-technocratic model. And that it is planned for the US to take on that model too, at least the technocratic part. Hence we see things such as the roll out of UBI v1 as part of the current drama.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#200
The tools and techniques to defend against such attacks are constantly under attack themselves. The latest round of mozilla layoffs targeting large swaths of rust team is one such example. The way these attacks are orchestrated, it is difficult to pinpoint their origin or even to establish if these are indeed attacks.
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