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NSA Owns Everything (2015)

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Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#131
In terms of your experts being wrong, reality is, you likely didn't want your experts to tell you about this stuff at all. If you added state actors to a threat model even after Snowden, there were corporate managers in random companies who would shut down the conversation, end the conference call, or leave the room and you'd find out indirectly that someone somewhere had found problem with your contract and it was being ended.

If you knew, what would you really do? There are insiders and outsiders, and if you talk about this stuff, you are an outsider. Life strategy-wise, which one are you going to be? It sounds jaded, but really, having been one of those experts playing in this invisible sandbox, I used the tools I had and worked with integrity. That I didn't defeat a multi-trillion dollar conspiracy of hundreds of thousands of people doesn't bother me much, and where I scored a few points on them, I feel pretty good about it.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#132

I’m really interested in how low level the hacking is, specifically network card and hard disk firmware. Does anyone have breakdowns of how these work or copies seen in the wild? I particularly liked the bit in the article about hiding data in packets intended for other hosts and harvesting them through passive relays. Is there a way to detect this sort of thing? Is everything really compromised?

> Is everything really compromised?

Given the documents and budgets which have leaked so far - it seems more sensible to assume that all hardware & software is compromised until proven otherwise. From the limited information provided so far we can see that if you use any Intel CPU, any Seagate/Hitachi/Fujitsu/Samsung hard drive, any version of windows, most commercially available routers, notepad++, or VLC - the NSA has access. Their scope is ridiculous.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#133

In terms of your experts being wrong, reality is, you likely didn't want your experts to tell you about this stuff at all. If you added state actors to a threat model even after Snowden, there were corporate managers in random companies who would shut down the conversation, end the conference call, or leave the room and you'd find out indirectly that someone somewhere had found problem with your contract and it was b…

If you walk into any of these things in real life: tread very carefully.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

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The basic premise is false. > "Why did we never see it coming?" Many people saw it coming. I was warning about the possibility of dragnet surveillance, the existence of ECHELON, the use of the American security apparatus to steal trade secrets, the surveillance of non-American politicians, et al... For many, many years before Snowden. And I'm just some rando on the internet who follows the mainstream news! We were ca…

>why is it still ridiculed to say it might be happening?

This thread is full of opportunities for me to contribute, but this is the comment that is the most important.

I've spent a long time sifting through conspiracy theories, and I came to a conclusion at one point that the most important thing in the world the oligarchs and TPTB have at their disposal is control and influence of various degrees on the mass media in all it's forms. Therefor, the most important task is to inform people. Problem one is that the propaganda mass conciousness influence has been almost perfected, and it's very numbers based. So for example, lets say I showed you some of the more crazy conspiracies that have been at play in the US. If you are someone who wants an ugly truth over a beautiful lie, you might see the merit to my arguments. I can take the time to do that, but my numbers will never reach the MSM numbers... and so they keep doing what they are doing, because we are far away from the critical mass needed to actually push back against that power with power. The few movements that do start with that intention are quickly infiltrated and taken over, etc. Essentially, as long as the media can fool X percentage of people, it doesn't matter how many people want to fight the system, the fooled masses in their herd mentality will quash any dissent, and the perpetual cycle of abuse continues.

Second, is that I have discovered that most people simple don't want to know the truth, and in particular the ugly truth over the beautiful lie. I've "woken" (sorry it's cliche but appropos) people up who at a later point said "I don't want to know, that's too dark..." etc, but a lot of people really would rather hang on to any lie that makes them feel better than to hear about how borked the US is (and the world).

Combined, these two principles work in tandem to make sure even those who might still have a spark of dissent in their bones tend to be extra dismissive of any "conspiracy theory", either for self-preservation whether concious or not, because of herd mentality, and/or because they've been propagandized too heavily.

Also, there was a definite leap in sockpuppetry tech about ~2010, and I think there are a lot more "digital dissociative disorder people" on the web than anyone is willing to admit. (largely working to create the illusion of that herd mentality which then becomes reality)

The problem I'm running into now isn't yesterdays NSA conspiracy, it's trying to tell people about what TPTB are doing now! So maybe some people were forced to eat their words about NSA (not that many admitted that), but if you bring up the scandal of today or of tomorrow, you go right back to being considered a "wackjob crazy conspiracy nut" or some such nonsense. I don't know how you could possibly break through the control of mass conciousness to change this...

These reasons are also why the oligarchs are after control of the internet. As a withering but still standing bastion of anarchistic freedom of speech, it is their primary threat right now.

Anyway, the bottom line is that the truth, the real world, is chock full of actual conspiracies that are so much stranger than fiction.

You'll notice I kept it meta to avoid digressing into a debate about a particular conspiracy, but the number one issue is that people seem to have completely forgotten what inductive logic is, and how powerful it can be. Of course evidence (deductive logic) is preferred wherever possible, but in the arena of intelligence agencies and billionares who spend a lot of time covering up their tracks (especially by degrees of seperations), you aren't going to get that evidence except in the most rare cases. Even in the cases where the evidence does show up, it is often covered up, destroyed, lost, inadmissable, gag ordered, blackbagged, etc.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>All it took was one person willing to burn their career to provide the proof. This is wrong. It took a LOT more than that. It took one man forgoing his life and liberty , and a group of people endangering theirs to assist him. Snowdon is not going to get his life nor his liberty back, ever. It took multiple institutions dedicated to publishing the truth to actually bring the news to a wide audience, and it didn't en…

> willing to burn their career to provide the proof. This should have been the case as in normal whistleblower cases. Seems it was not. I also suspect that Russia will eventually try and call the favor to coerce him to do something for them EDIT: had no idea this would be so negatively viewed. If you're going to down vote please indicate what you're against...

Him being there makes Russia look more tolerant than his home country.. Which is already a Pretty big bonus.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#136
post #60

Yet somehow Russian / China are hacking the US left and right. If the NSA is so good, then at some point dont they have the responsibility to actively defend?

>China are hacking the US left and right Can you proof that or is that maybe something the CIA or the Pentagon would say?

One potential example is the seeded Supermicro chipsets that bloomberg ran a big piece on, though that's still somewhat up in the air as far as I know. Generally though it's quite hard to tell what's real.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#137

The difference between a theory, a conspiracy theory and the truth are best described by varying levels of evidence. A theory is not currently accepted as the truth, but it might be the truth. A conspiracy theory is something that has been proven to be untrue, but people still believe it and pass it on. The truth is the internally consistent and fact supported state of the world as it was and as it is. There were man…

I think others have a similar issue with the differentiators you are talking about when moving out of black and white. For example, a theory seems to become a conspiracy theory if many people in a subset group comes out believing it. Or what happens when a portion of the theory is debunked, but the overall truth still follows the 'conspiracy theorists' proposition?

This is likely why people just combined theory, conspiracy theory all together, because the moment you look at the grey area, it becomes nuanced.

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#138

The difference between a theory, a conspiracy theory and the truth are best described by varying levels of evidence. A theory is not currently accepted as the truth, but it might be the truth. A conspiracy theory is something that has been proven to be untrue, but people still believe it and pass it on. The truth is the internally consistent and fact supported state of the world as it was and as it is. There were man…

While your usage is common, it is completely wrong. A "conspiracy theory" is simply a "theory" that posits a "conspiracy". What you describe is the opposite - when the evidence is so overwhelming, that the secrecy of the conspiracy can no longer be maintained. Room 641A was discovered in 2006 FFS. The reluctance of the press to acknowledge it has much more to do with propaganda, confused nationalism, concentrated press ownership, social/financial/legal influence from the military, and willful blindness.

The idea that "conspiracy theory"===false comes right out of COINTELPRO. You know, the big secret (at the time) conspiracy to subvert domestic US movements. In fact, much of the 20th C was defined by secret conspiracies - the Bolshevik revolution, the rise of the Nazis, every post-colonial coup, etc. Project Echelon was well understood in the 80s. What is the USS Jimmy Carter even for?

Re: NSA Owns Everything (2015)

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A conspiracy theory is just a theory that a conspiracy has happened. In popular usage there's an assumption that it's incorrect, but that's not part of the definition of conspiracy theory.

If you're going to pick nits at least use the full definition. For a shorthand it was accurate enough, and in popular usage the assumption is not that it is incorrect but that the facts as known do not support the outrageous claims made by the believers in these theories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_an... Examples such as the Climate Change hoax, Moon Landing hoax, COVID-19 hoax, New Wor…

Are you really going around arguing that "conspiracy" has some technical definition that's in common usage? Can all the shills just go to prison? Like can the FCC please do it's job?
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