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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by alickz »

swyx wrote: post #236
gkoberger wrote: post #113

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Yup! Here's the base SVG I started with: https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.s... Everything else is just CSS!

ok for those who were as obsessed with this as i was... I took the base SVG and cleaned up the CSS to try to understand what was going on with the animations minimal repro: https://svelte.dev/repl/7eea2eba3707414aa62c9ea53b92ad2d?ver... quick youtube discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wKnZNjdpp8&feature=youtu.be I didn't get everything bc you can only get so far looking at the output CSS - he used Stylus he…

This is a great breakdown

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by ethanwillis »

whymauri wrote: post #189
overcast wrote: post #182

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I think I found the solution, not basing yourself in one of the highest cost of living areas.

Tough when the best talent is in that high COL metropolitan area.

Silicon Valley is so far up its ass that they can't see the light of day. There is good talent in the high COL metro area, but that doesn't mean all of the best talent is there. And it's definitely not all cultivated there.

At most it's just brain drain from around the world (and around the U.S.) due to capital concentration NOT talent concentration.

There's this belief that anybody who isn't willing to move to high COL metro couldn't cut it there because having a worldview outside of living in SF or similar isn't something that can be fathomed.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by kroeckx »

pferde wrote: post #282
cyphar wrote: post #239

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Have you tried it with a different homeserver (either hosted or some other community server)? Matrix.org has a fucktonne of users (~5 million from memory), and given how little funding they have it's shocking that they can afford to run a homeserver at all. I've run my own homeserver for the past few years and I haven't ever had any issues with performance (even when talking to people on Matrix.org).

I can attest to that. I run a Matrix homeserver for a small community, and it's blazingly fast all the time. Everyone should migrate off matrix.org sooner rather than later. I fully expect seeing regional public Matrix homeservers popping up here and there eventually, just like regional public Jabber servers did back in the day. Or, indeed like public e-mail providers did.

That's not my experience at all. It got better when I left some large rooms. But I still regularly get things like messages that the server is offline, taking a minute before the UI shows that my message was sent, after my laptop was suspended, it takes minutes before element becomes usable again. I run my own IRC bridge, and if they send more than 5 messages a minute I start losing messages and they get out of order.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by TotempaaltJ »

Arathorn wrote: post #166
jernejzen wrote: post #139

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Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)

This is definitely true. The primary remaining issue I think is "perceived stability". The apps feel very finnicky, and oftentimes things work in unexpected and unexplained ways (especially around E2E encryption!) and it makes it pretty hard to onboard friends.

Do you run UI/UX tests on these flows? Also under non-ideal conditions and potential semi-broken states? I'd love to see Element become a more stable application--it's definitely more important to convincing friends to use it than an extensive feature set.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by IgorPartola »

Whiteshadow12 wrote: post #287
IgorPartola wrote: post #244

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It’s a terrible name. I have forgotten it three times already since they’ve changed it and I was actually trying to pay attention to their project. And just now reading about it, it took me a minute to remember what Element was referring to. It’s not too late, change it again! Pick any element that’s easy to spell off the periodic table and go with that: Vanadium, Thorium, Boron, hell even Helium. Or go with a conduc…

Those are really good names, not just for Riot/Element but for other products or features.

Feel free to use them. If you do, I’d love to know about it but not required.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

tw1423214 wrote: post #95
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #82

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'revenue' from Firefox was never enough. It's only really just struck me that of course Google funding them made a dependency and 1) made the company grow beyond its needs, and 2) made it not seek self-sufficiency. If Google are stopping the money then FF is like a person with no money taken in by Google and hooked on drugs; once they're kicked out they can't fund the habit and reliance on Google has meant they've no…

It's not true that "'revenue' from Firefox was never enough", and it's bordering on misinformation to speculate that "Google are stopping the money". edit: Really, could you please not do that? Asking "Is the search deal not expiring?" is even worse than the earlier comment...

Ok, cool I've found it hard to find financial details - could you perhaps list for an example period the main revenue not from Google and it's origins? Then maybe the top 3 lines of the expense report?

I mean unless we're going back to phoenix days it seems like Google's money both saved and potentially secured Firefox's demise.

Re the speculation that the Google money is stopping (AIUI its something of the order 90% of income) Mozilla seem to be hunting for all and any revenue streams and urgently cutting costs. They look like they're preparing for it to stop, and I get the impression they want to be self-sufficient. It strikes me (and recall I have little knowledge of their financials - perhaps they've put a lot of income aside) they need to be self-sufficient in order to not be scared to follow a privacy route that could readily [probably has already IMO] annoy Google. Google aren't giving them $X00 Million for fun, I feel. The less useable data, and sellable users, Mozilla directs their way the less useful Mozilla is to Google.

(Perhaps there's also a benefit in keeping FF to prevent the appearance of Chrome being a monopoly.)

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by whymauri »

ethanwillis wrote: post #292
whymauri wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tough when the best talent is in that high COL metropolitan area.

Silicon Valley is so far up its ass that they can't see the light of day. There is good talent in the high COL metro area, but that doesn't mean all of the best talent is there. And it's definitely not all cultivated there. At most it's just brain drain from around the world (and around the U.S.) due to capital concentration NOT talent concentration. There's this belief that anybody who isn't willing to move to high…

"At most it's just brain drain from around the world (and around the U.S.) due to capital concentration NOT talent concentration."

Brain drain implies relative talent concentration - are you sure this is what you mean to say?

Look - I hate SV and don't live there. The reality is unavoidable: for software, the best talent lives in the Bay. It's not that deep.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Arnavion wrote: post #132
mulmen wrote: post #110

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Is the search deal not expiring? e: to your edit. I'm not sure what is wrong with the question. My understanding is that the search deal is expiring and is the source of most of the FF related revenue. If that is not the case I'd like to know. It seems like a reasonable question.

The search deal is indeed expiring in a few months, but also neither party has said whether it'll be renewed or not, so it's not yet time to assume it won't be.

Mozilla should have a pretty good idea, if they don't that's a serious problem. The ones made redundant now might be the lucky ones if Google haven't yet indicated their general intentions.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pantalaimon »

jernejzen wrote: post #139
Arathorn wrote: post #76

Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec…

Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

> Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard.

I thought the same about XMPP 15 years ago.

I think chat protocols are much like languages, it's almost inherent that in communication between people different standards and different communities form.

Different groups of people use different messengers to (often unknowingly) express an identity.

I've giving up on the hope that there will be one universal language / protocol to unite everyone.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by prepend »

gkoberger wrote: post #77

Hey all, I built this last night as a resource for connecting Mozilla Alumni during this rough time. Mozilla laid off some truly amazing people this past year.... many of whom I worked with 10 years ago when I was there. As for why there's a red panda in the boat... despite the logo distinctly picturing a fox on fire, a "firefox" is actually the name for a red panda!

Thanks for making this, I had the horrifying idea that Mozilla had their engineers make this prior to the layoffs.
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