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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pabs3 »

kgraves wrote: post #248
nathcd wrote: post #69

Seeing this list makes me wonder: is Mozilla the only major software development nonprofit? (Feel free to interpret "major" however you want if you answer the question.) Regardless of one's feelings about Mozilla, the layoffs are really disheartening. And - sorry for the spicy take - I'm bummed to see Facebook and Amazon on this list. It would be nice to see other nonprofits on the list, but it's doubly disappointing…

There's Linux Foundation isn't there? Seems to be growing strong.

The LF is a trade association (501c6) rather than non-profit/charity (501c3).

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by WC3w6pXxgGd »

scarface74 wrote: post #226
tambourine_man wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern web browsers are among the most complex piece of software out there. If you’re qualified to write that kind of code, basic needs are surely well taken care of and are the least of your concerns. To put it simply, these people will not have a hard time finding high paying jobs. And since they are able to choose, “being part of the open web” makes a lot of sense.

Which company that cares about the “open web” pays well - instead of just paying lip service to openness [1]. Have you checked Mozilla’s salary? https://www.levels.fyi/company/Mozilla/salaries/Software-Eng... I was making almost that much pre-Covid as a regular old SAAS CRUD developer in the south East US. It was comfortable but far from not needing to work for a few months and hold out because I was concerned about…

Are you saying $177k/year is not a lot?

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by WC3w6pXxgGd »

gkanai wrote: post #249

Props to Gregory for building this. Giving up on Firefox OS too early was a such a terrible mistake- look at the success of KaiOS in emerging markets. That should have been Mozilla's success. Mozilla needs to find someone other than Mitchell to lead the organization. I realize how difficult that is, but she is clearly not the right CEO, even if she was the founder. The organization needs someone new at the helm. (I w…

They HAD a great CEO, for a week.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by jazzyjackson »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #234
Arathorn wrote: post #211

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Folks, it's been like 3 weeks since we renamed Riot as Element, and (picking DDG) it's already the 18th hit from the top. Riot was 4th at the point we renamed it (second only to RG). Meanwhile it's already the top hit on the Play Store. So give it a few more weeks :) In terms of the name itself, I personally think "Let's talk on Element" is at least as catchy as "Let's talk on Riot", although it's touching to see fol…

Because “Let’s talk on zoom” is any better? :)

it has fewer syllables going for it

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by speedgoose »

ryantgtg wrote: post #153
speedgoose wrote: post #116

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Considering Facebook's business model, I would guess that these engineers are there for privacywashing (like greenwashing).

Are you under the impression that Facebook doesn't have privacy guidelines and strategies for its users just because its privacy goals don't align with yours? Just because they aren't the bastion of privacy doesn't mean they disregard privacy completely. Simple example: If I set my profile to be viewable by friends-only, that is a privacy feature. There are 800 more examples like that pertaining to protecting user da…

Facebook is the opposite of a privacy bastion. If you have such privacy features, it's only to stay relevant in the market and maintain some degree of trust so users continue to publish their data. Facebook do not care about privacy, they track people everywhere they can. They accumulate data and sell the knowledge they collected.

Engineers who really care about privacy do not work for Facebook like engineers who really cares about peace do not work for the army.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by mvn9 »

sciurus wrote: post #160

FYI the official talent directory is now online at https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org/ and I expect people will be adding themselves to it over the coming days.

So they have implemented that to copy https://mozillalifeboat.com/? That's sad. There is no reason to take away attention from mozillalifeboat.com.

Just because something is hosted by mozilla doesn't make it better. Instead of copying VPNs, Bookmark directories and such, they should focus on the browser and offer the other services as some form of cooperation.

But maybe I am wrong and uniting everything under the mozilla brand is the way to go.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by Dylan16807 »

riffic wrote: post #210
Dylan16807 wrote: post #198

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Fine, let me reword it as a non-question. Anyone can make a page with guidelines. If I say someone "photoshopped" an image then I'm violating Adobe guidelines. If "subject to" means I'm acting inside that scope, then I'm subject to them. But if "subject to" means they can do anything about it, then I'm not subject to them. The way you're talking about the policy isn't making it clear which meaning you intend, but it'…

Civil trademark law effectively means everyone is "subject to" their terms. They'll send a nasty-gram to enforce their rights as the trademark holder, and the potential resolution could be an ICANN UDRP complaint. Again, I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, I could be wholly incorrect here.

> Civil trademark law effectively means everyone is "subject to" their terms.

Not in the slightest. Adobe cannot do a single thing at all about people misapplying the word photoshop. Trademark law only applies when someone could conceivably become confused about who is offering a product or service. If you avoid that problem then you can completely ignore the wishes of the trademark owner. Could you argue that this site is causing that confusion? Yes, you could. But you're greatly overstating what other uses trademark could effect. If I look at those brand guidelines and decide to talk about "the firefox" and put their logo uncomfortably close to other logos, I'm going against their desires but they can't stop me in any way.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by zerocrates »

dblohm7 wrote: post #194
Teckla wrote: post #60

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Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Perhaps the "Foxium" browser is "coming soon."

> Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Not happening.

I'm sure as an insider you have a better and more realistic view of things.

Here on the outside, it's hard not to imagine the 2022 blog post that carefully explains that the huge cost and burden of maintaining a modern independent browser engine just isn't the most efficient way of furthering Mozilla's goal of an open internet.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

rvz wrote: post #205
doublerabbit wrote: post #171

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I've been trying to get people to join "element" but it just makes the whole chat sound awkward "Hey, want to join me on element? compared to "hey, want to join me on riot". Element just doesn't have the same ring and sounds less exciting and dull. It's not even listed in search engines, especially DDG, so I then have to give them the URL which adds to the awkwardness. It was a bad move in my opinion. Sure sure, the…

Every time 'Element' (The Matrix chat app) gets a mention, it resorts into questioning the name or a disambiguation. The technology, product and pricing with the deals they are making with multiple governments and businesses is an excellent source of revenue and is very competitive at striking those deals. However the genericness of the name will be a problem with non-technical users and will always be an issue with…

Element sounds cool, relaxed Riot sounds hot, aggressive

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by ohgodplsno »

v1vek wrote: post #270
wolco wrote: post #231

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Myth or reality? The world vs sf and the valley? I'll go with the world.

history has been with the valley (so far ...)

Money has been with the valley.

Microsoft has brilliant engineers and is in Seattle, for example.

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