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Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

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Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#21

3.5 years on my prediction holds well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13811365

With any new technology, the likelihood of failure is high but the expected value is positive. As Nat Friedman (CEO of GitHub) said: "Pessimists sound smart. Optimists make money."

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

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post #20

This is evergreen when talking about Hyperloop: http://www.cat-bus.com/2017/12/gadgetbahn/ The problems with building this have nothing to do with technology but with right-of-way, investment, and politics. If those factors were solved, we'd already have high-speed rail in places where Hyperloop has been proposed. The fact that we don't says that Hyperloop is unlikely to be feasible as well.

Not really, there’s a fourth factor not listed here, which is government vs. private. A government project will, for political reasons, need to support universal access, and a public transit system will have a hard time telling a person “you smell too bad to get on the bus.” A private company won’t have any such problems and can build only for the rich and middle class. The problem that Hyperloop solves is creating 1…

Is that the plan by Elon Musk or your postfactual justification because you love the idea of it?

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#23
post #21

3.5 years on my prediction holds well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13811365

With any new technology, the likelihood of failure is high but the expected value is positive. As Nat Friedman (CEO of GitHub) said: "Pessimists sound smart. Optimists make money."

* 10% of the optimists make money

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#24
post #20

This is evergreen when talking about Hyperloop: http://www.cat-bus.com/2017/12/gadgetbahn/ The problems with building this have nothing to do with technology but with right-of-way, investment, and politics. If those factors were solved, we'd already have high-speed rail in places where Hyperloop has been proposed. The fact that we don't says that Hyperloop is unlikely to be feasible as well.

Not really, there’s a fourth factor not listed here, which is government vs. private. A government project will, for political reasons, need to support universal access, and a public transit system will have a hard time telling a person “you smell too bad to get on the bus.” A private company won’t have any such problems and can build only for the rich and middle class. The problem that Hyperloop solves is creating 1…

Why is hyperloop 1/20th the cost? It seems like the expensive parts of high-speed rail (acquiring the land and moving earth to make a long straight path) would also apply.

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#25
post #21

3.5 years on my prediction holds well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13811365

With any new technology, the likelihood of failure is high but the expected value is positive. As Nat Friedman (CEO of GitHub) said: "Pessimists sound smart. Optimists make money."

> the likelihood of failure is high but the expected value is positive

Except when the new technology was proposed and marketed by a loony, of course.

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#26
Did you know that LIGO designers had to add earthen berms to protect their vacuum pipes from bullets?

Not to mention the throughput issues, the energy budget, the cost of construction, the right-of-way issues...

Let's be frank: Hyperloop is dumb, and people who are spending money on it are too. You have better things to do with your time than analyzing it or defending it, and so do I.

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon seems to have moved on to non-vaccuum underground tunnels via The Boring Company, which is actually doing real projects. Though apparently there are still Hyperloop competitions planned. The 2020 one was supposed to be "in a 10km vacuum tunnel with a curve", though that may be stalled by, well, obvious current events. https://tunnelinsider.com/the-2020-hyperloop-competition-wil... No one else seems to have quite…

Regular slow rail and siphoning tax dollars? Sounds like an Elon company.

Won at electric, won at space, won at paypal. Salty comment ? Sounds like a HN comment

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#29
post #7

Read it as Pipes of Fantasy. Years ago I remember reading about miles long test tracks being built. I haven't been following developments surrounding this at all, but as far as I can tell there are still no serious test tracks, why? The ones that are out there are supposedly too short to get to full speed (or anywhere close to it!). Given the hype surrounding it I have a hard time believing money is the limiting fact…

Elon seems to have moved on to non-vaccuum underground tunnels via The Boring Company, which is actually doing real projects. Though apparently there are still Hyperloop competitions planned. The 2020 one was supposed to be "in a 10km vacuum tunnel with a curve", though that may be stalled by, well, obvious current events. https://tunnelinsider.com/the-2020-hyperloop-competition-wil... No one else seems to have quite…

> Elon seems to have moved on to non-vaccuum underground tunnels via The Boring Company

So, a subway?

Re: Hyperloop: Pipes of Fancy

#30
post #19

This is evergreen when talking about Hyperloop: http://www.cat-bus.com/2017/12/gadgetbahn/ The problems with building this have nothing to do with technology but with right-of-way, investment, and politics. If those factors were solved, we'd already have high-speed rail in places where Hyperloop has been proposed. The fact that we don't says that Hyperloop is unlikely to be feasible as well.

Agreed. > She says the pipes could come up on state-owned land beside motorways or (where they exist) railways. No time or planning should go into surface hyperloops. These things belong underground. 100x better.

Say what? That’s crazy talk. Underground would be many times more expensive, and has much worse failure modes. What happens if the train loses power?
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