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Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by olyjohn »

raducu wrote: post #508
kingnothing wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of rideshare, I imagine the driver contract agreement has that stipulation in it. You'll agree to pick up a passenger taking a trip to an unknown destination with up to N hours of travel time. If you don't like the terms of the contract, you don't have to work for that company.

How is that different from a regular taxi driver? Where's the "sharing" in the "ride share" if the driver is forced to take any ride?

This is the thing that really chafes my testes.

People need to get real and start calling it what it is. It's a taxi service. This is not ride sharing. The driver was not already going somewhere. The driver was waiting around for a call to pick someone up, and was going to take them where they wanted to go. Nothing is being shared. This is a Taxi service and the Uber app is the dispatcher.

If I was already going to work, and I picked someone up along the way, that's sharing a ride.

The only thing the driver is sharing is the money they are giving to their mechanic when all the around town driving wears out their car.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by core-questions »

valuearb wrote: post #499
novok wrote: post #465

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Or you could just extend the law to the ride sharing services...

That’s a horrible law. What if it’s a female driver and a sketchy rider? Or worse, her abusive ex?

Again, another person being downvoted for living in reality and understanding that the existence of a phone app mediating things doesn't fundamentally change the risk profile of Uber from that of picking up hitchhikers.

Yes, it can absolutely happen that you pick someone up and they end up raping you. The opposite happens too, you order up an Uber when you're drunk and end up the raped one yourself. While the app might possibly offer information that makes it easier to get justice in the future, and while that may dissuade some folks, in the end crimes of opportunity like this will continue to happen.

Intelligent, self-preserving people will always use their own personal heuristics for risk management regardless of political correctness. If this ends up looking prejudiced, the problem to solve is the input information (in the form of observed events and news) that causes the prejudice, not to tell the person to just pretend that there's no reason to have such a risk calculation.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by mrhyyyyde »

smsm42 wrote: post #561
timavr wrote: post #555

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I didn’t know Uber is live in Syria.

It's live in Seattle, Portland and Chicago.

Can you explain your point, the point is unclear. They're also live in other cities as well..?

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

nrmitchi wrote: post #310
carljv wrote: post #67

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This. During the period where Uber and Lyft weren't operating in Austin, there were several local alternatives that popped up right away, worked just fine, operated within local regs, and that I honestly preferred service-wise. If Austin can do it, I bet California can.

Yes, but after that Uber and Lyft aggressively drove those local alternatives out of business by giving effectively-free rides for the next couple of months. The majority of my rides around the downtown area during that time cost me _maybe_ a few dollars out of pocket. That is if I even paid at all, vs using "credit" which seemed to be arbitrarily added to my account. It is illogical to start up a new business when i…

Should be illegal

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by habosa »

Bullsh*t. You know they have a team somewhere that was preparing for the situation where they lost this case. They have a Plan B. They're just playing chicken with us right now.

This statement is part of Dara's week-long media blitz to scare everyone into letting Uber be its own regulator. Check out the NYTimes op-ed he wrote.

They will not shut down. They will blink.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

ars wrote: post #462
dreamcompiler wrote: post #51

There is zero barrier to entry for a rideshare service. (Just ask the city of Austin.) Absent COVID, competitors would be coming out of the woodwork to supply this market with fairly-paid drivers. That means the cost of a ride will double, but that simply means we'll be paying taxicab rates for much better service than taxis provided in the past. We've known all along that Uber's prices were too low to be sustainable…

> Just ask the city of Austin. https://communityimpact.com/austin/central-austin/impacts/20... "RideAustin shuts down operations" "Other ride-hailing companies that entered the market in 2016 have also since suspended their operations in Austin. Fasten ceased its U.S. operations in 2018, and Fare closed in June 2017."

That's because the business model just doesn't work, it requires ridiculous scale and the ability to exploit workers to function - that is why Uber is so aggressive with this and even more reason to shut it down.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by dnissley »

mrhyyyyde wrote: post #583
smsm42 wrote: post #561

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It's live in Seattle, Portland and Chicago.

Can you explain your point, the point is unclear. They're also live in other cities as well..?

They're claiming that those cities are extremely dangerous.

But in reality, that's just innumeracy.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

slicebo123 wrote: post #312

Civic safety nets should be the responsibility of duly elected governments. Pushing health care, sick leave, etc., onto businesses is so backwards. Our body politic wants all these protections but can't muster the will to do it "properly". I see this as "pass a law, and make it someone else's problem".

> Our body politic wants all these protections but can't muster the will to do it "properly".

This simply isn't true - one party runs on being against all of these policies.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

vadym909 wrote: post #406

Great- I think this will bring forth the root cause of the problem which is employer tied benefits and employer tied taxes. Right now there are entire business models based on avoiding taxes and benefits. You can have protections like min wage, sick leave, etc and still make it really simple os that evvery individual pays the entire tax (employer and employee payroll taxes) for every dollar they earn. It can be scale…

They'll just move the goalposts.

They'll say "no this is unfair to uber and workers." Then when you suggest the safety net they'll say " taxes are too high " or "they need to work harder for more money to provide for themselves."

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by DuskStar »

dnissley wrote: post #587
mrhyyyyde wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain your point, the point is unclear. They're also live in other cities as well..?

They're claiming that those cities are extremely dangerous. But in reality, that's just innumeracy.

I think someone attempting to get an Uber pickup (or getting dropped off by an Uber) in the middle of CHOP/CHAZ might have had some problems. Particularly at night.

Or any "drop me off within the ongoing protest" ride, really.

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