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Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

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It's refreshing to see an assumption of incompetence rather than malice, since I seem to have come across the idea that Google is questionably motivated by ideology rather a lot recently. One thing I don't understand is why Google continues to try to use algorithmic solutions for content moderation. Surely the frequent false positives ends up hurting potential revenue? And would it not be able to hire people to at le…

> why Google continues to try to use algorithmic solutions for content moderation

When people assume malice so often as you mentioned, it, at least intuitively, feels easier to fault human moderation than algorithms.

Algorithms offer a black box which protect against accusations of bias. If accused of bias, an algorithm's biases can just be labeled unintentional accidents, whereas a human's biases are malicious.

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

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For some reason I read the comments... "Someone who hates you is doing this on purpose" reads one. While I have NO IDEA what that's about, it does make me wonder, can people cause trouble for their competition through ad sense by doing things to cause the site to be dropped like this? That comment says it's because someone is leaving bad comments on the site, which seems unlikely, but I've read other stories about DM…

I'm not sure about the adsense part, but they definitely can for the part where gmail is flagging their newsletter as phishing. Gmail has an option where any user can report a received email as phishing.

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

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The post gave me hope that a change of perspective on Google might ease up my irritation and horror from it a little—if I see it as a clumsy old behemoth, instead of the pioneer of future tech that it's usually portrayed as, and which basically translates to ‘what cyberpunk warned about’.

(But then I remembered that it has literal databases of incredibly personal realtime info on billions of people, and lets police peruse locations of people that committed no crime.)

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who is in a similar domain / company, no one knows how to do this at planet scale unless you narrow it down to a very short list (which is typically very large sums of money). My back of napkin math from another comment: I work in a similar space and it is significantly complex and expensive to do this. Back of the napkin math - * Lets say on average customers contact Google support once a year for each pr…

> Lets say on average customers contact Google support once a year for each product they use. Meaning that if someone uses 4 Google products they are contacting Google support on average once a quarter? That seems really high. I would have guessed at most a tenth of that.

I was averaging it out assuming there will be an overhead of users using the channel for many other reasons too, eg. they dont know how something works, there are language barriers, other errors get attributed to google (eg. android vs manufacturer) etc.

But this is a fair point, all the assumptions I make (eg. how many products a user uses, number of requests for support, etc.) are hypothetical and might be incorrect if this was actually implemented. Based on my judgement though, while variable might change, the end numbers will probably remain the same.

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who is in a similar domain / company, no one knows how to do this at planet scale unless you narrow it down to a very short list (which is typically very large sums of money). My back of napkin math from another comment: I work in a similar space and it is significantly complex and expensive to do this. Back of the napkin math - * Lets say on average customers contact Google support once a year for each pr…

I believe your guess for frequency is off by a lot, my guess would be more in the vicinity of a tenth of those assumption. However, more importantly: going in with a "we need to support this" mindset alters incentives. Suddenly, useless error messages and lacking documentation aren't okay any more. A different approach to solve the issue, if it even exists at that scale: make them pay for it. If you want service, pay…

2/3/4 billion users paying $10 a year would certainly change things. I think the closest I have seen is the Google one program but not sure if people are aware or would want to pay for it.

For power users, I completely agree it might be the only feasible idea.

The closest parallel I can think of Amazon where there is cost of products involved (and >> $10 year I suspect) - they do a good job but even they work hard to make sure you cant easily reach a person.

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

#56
post #19

I don't know if this is the case with techdirt, but by far the most common reason why sites and domains (for mail) end up getting flagged is because their resources have been hijacked by organized criminals and are being used for crime, unbeknownst to the people who own the domains. So if this ever happens to you your first instinct should be to question your own production security situation, not to assume that Goog…

We had some abuse on our site that Google blocked us for - people were trying to run a scam through it. Except the scam was being propagated on youtube and Google did nothing about the videos despite multiple reports from us. So my attitude is pretty simple: Google can fuck off. They can't even fix their own properties and will ban you for their inability to do so.

So, just to be clear, by "ban" you mean they stopped serving ads on your site, or something else?

As a seller of advertising space, to what extent is Google obligated to fill your inventory? How reliant are you on assumptions about whether they will and how much?

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

#57

A few months ago, I tried experimenting with Google ads to drive some traffic to a side project of mine which was basically a chess-over-videochat website. A little more than 40 impressions later, it was taken down for being "in violation of our Google ad policies". There was never any indication what the violation actually was. I replied and asked several times hoping to get a human to tell me what I had actually do…

I don't know much about adding ads to a website like this. Is there really no alternative to Google?

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

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Finally, we started receiving reports from multiple Techdirt visitors (including those who told us they had purposefully whitelisted Techdirt from their ad blockers) that ads being delivered by Google were causing their computers to run hot. Multiple reports of ads on Techdirt failing to load properly, and causing Techdirt to fail to load properly. And also causing fans to turn on.

"Ads being delivered by Google were causing their computers to run hot?" Anyone have more detail on this?

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

#59
This is really ironic considering Techdirt is on Google's public policy payroll (via "Copia Institute") on https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/5a1907d78237ab17...

I suppose this suggests some manner of "fairness" to Google's widespread incompetence and inability to manage their platform effectively. If they can't keep things running smoothly for their paid shills, clearly nobody's getting an unfair advantage.

Re: Why are currently no ads on Techdirt? apparently Google thinks we're dangerous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Google has a skin in the game. It is a de-facto monopolist in the online advertisement business, and online search. And it's only the political goodwill that keeps it safe from antitrust scrutiny. So, it's a kinda wink-wink nudge-nudge pact, that Google politically aligns with the Democrats, and the Democrats turn a blind eye on Google's monopolistic state. There are plenty of examples, just try searching "Ne…

Critical vs approving articles is a very weak proxy for antitrust. In this case most of them come from the same source (a conservative media company). It seems to me Google is better about removing useless results, or that which are regurgitated (copied) content, than DDG. I'm not saying Google at this point doesn't have a monopoly. I am saying that the comment above reads more like a conspiracy theory than truth. Do…

I would agree with it if Google results showed one page from that conservative media company, while dropping others as redundant.

Instead, from what I can tell, it heavily penalizes sources that compete with the mainstream media, while filling the gaps by doing looser search (like replacing 'estate' with 'property' and suddenly finding 'How Gavin Newsom plans to close California's huge budget gap').

So if you google for common divisive topics, you get an impression that the public unanimously supports the narrative pushed by the Democrats (that happens to actually cause more division), while in reality there are many critical voices calling it out, that Google conveniently omits.

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