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Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by mattnewton »

ghaff wrote: post #43

Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to: - Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they - Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that - The state will reverse this judgement

Poor luck for Uber, I'm not sure the urbanites are demanding rideshares services right now enough to really make a fuss.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/19/21186865/uber-rides-decli...

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by donatj »

kirykl wrote: post #261
iooi wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is removing upfront pricing friendly to customers? It's horrible UX.

getting charged exactly for what you use is great

I as a user would far rather know exactly what I'm getting charged ahead of time, on basically everything, even if it were more. I'm 100% certain most people would.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

jamiequint wrote: post #266
bpfrh wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh cmon, in every country uber operated/operates in they are against the law. Just because you make a new app and don't follow the rules in the hope you get to big to fail doesn't mean it works. Uber specifically displays the current problem with new startups, they don't make things more effective, or cheaper. They borrow money, set low prices and don't follow the law and then lobby to change them. Uber is a taxi ser…

> in every country uber operated/operates in they are against the law. Wrong > Uber specifically displays the current problem with new startups, they don't make things more effective, or cheaper. Wrong ( https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-vs-taxi-pricing-by-city... and even more since then with Uber X expansion)

On the first point, could you supply a bit more than just "wrong"? That's not a very convincing argument. Do you have data? Evidence? Anything besides just "wrong"?

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by vkou »

Grimm1 wrote: post #283
ianmobbs wrote: post #255

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This is akin to saying the Fair Labor Standards Act was a "bad law" because it ended child labor, which I'm sure also caused a temporary "net loss of jobs, economic activity, and civic engagement"

Except these are adults of sound mind willingly entering into the agreement. I absolutely loathe these types of arguments first because its false equivalence and secondly, because why do you know better than the Freelance Journalists who were hurt by this? Stop nannying.

Adults of sound mind enter into all sorts of highly regulated agreements, starting from employment, to tenancy, to gym memberships, to even things like marriages [1].

The reason for why all those agreements are highly regulated isn't because they adults entering them are not of sound mind. The reason for it is that there is often a large imbalance of power between the two parties in the contract.

This kind of regulation has been the foundation of common law for nearly a millennium, and has been present in other legal systems for far longer than that.

[1] (As it turns out, you can't [2] marry someone with the stipulation that they can't divorce you, or with a fly-by-night, grossly inequitable pre-nup.

[2] Well, you can, but the judges will laugh your contract out of the room when you try to enforce it.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

Aeolun wrote: post #123
skapadia wrote: post #118

I don't know what kind of background checks and interviewing (if any) Uber drivers have to currently go through (beyond having a valid driver's license and good driving history?), but if I'm hiring someone as a full time employee, you better believe I'm going to be more rigorous and it will cost me more, and that will limit the number of available Uber drivers IMO, or the number Uber will allow to work for 40+ hours.…

> If a driver chooses to Uber as their primary (or sole) source of income, that's their choice. Government partially exists to protect people against themselves.

That's a rather contentious statement. Many would say it is solely to protect people from each other and outside forces.

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Post by nwallin »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #155
nwallin wrote: post #150

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The law has most definitely been changed. If the law were a human, it wouldn't be old enough to walk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_(20...

So the outrage over "workers rights" is delayed until Uber can no longer exploit them?

You claimed the law has not changed. This claim was false; the law has changed.

If you had wanted to discuss workers rights, you should have led with that.

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Post by Grimm1 »

Uber has generally seemed like a net benefit and I've taken a lot of rides (hundreds to low thousand) and have generally conversed with most of the drivers I've had and the gig work has been beneficial to them, they make a decent standard of living for a HCOL area enough for a family and get to set their own hours. Hard pass on regulation like this and good to see Uber push back with the levers they have.

I will add that some regulation would probably be beneficial but not this one in particular.

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Post by TuringNYC »

refurb wrote: post #268
gamblor956 wrote: post #252

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Most of the people leaving CA were of the far-right political persuasion, so good riddance to them. And generally, CA is already overpopulated for the amount of housing currently available (or constructable within the near future), so having fewer people actually relieves a lot of the overusage issues currently plaguing many of the public services in CA. With specific respect to the tax issue, the flipside of "one mo…

Most of the people leaving CA were of the far-right political persuasion, so good riddance to them. Ha! Yeah, CA is known for it’s multitude of far-right groups. And if they are so far right, why are they leaving and voting for left wing policies in other states? Suffice to say CA has some of the highest taxes of any state, yet it also has some of the worst social problems - poverty, homelessness, etc. I’d say it CA…

>> Suffice to say CA has some of the highest taxes of any state, yet it also has some of the worst social problems - poverty, homelessness, etc.

I was under the impression that much of the homelessness problem is because CA is a nice place to live (with or without a home) and because the climate is temperate and thus safer to live than most other places (where a homeless person could literally freeze to death.)

Sorry if this sounds insensitive -- I really want to understand this: I concede that cost of housing could lead to homelessness, but I dont understand this -- isnt the housing cost really a problem just in the two major metro areas? Is housing exorbitant once you leave those areas? For someone who is homeless, is there any gravity anymore to -- say -- being close to SF/SV/Hollywood?

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

XMPPwocky wrote: post #44
merpnderp wrote: post #9

Want to be free to have a random part-time gig you can pick up whenever you want? Nope, do-gooders are going to do-good you into a wage slave job like everyone else.

Tragically, the state has also taken away my right to sell my kidneys for money, just trying to "protect" me. I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources?

Selling a kidney is totally the same as part-time driving.

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Post by sushid »

jamiequint wrote: post #253
kirykl wrote: post #237

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Ridiculous that it takes a legal battle for Uber to offer these customer and driver friendly features

In what world is enabling drivers to see where a rider is going before accepting the trip, or removing requirements for Uber Pro, or removing features from the loyalty program, or removing upfront pricing, or removing the ability for customers to have favorite drivers "customer friendly"?

Both sides are "customers." This is something Uber emphasizes (or at least used to) within as well.
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