Taxi drivers are almost always 1099 as well... So have they basically killed on call transportation for CA?
Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
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Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#242Translation: We're pouting until we get what we want
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tragically, the state has also taken away my right to sell my kidneys for money, just trying to "protect" me. I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources?
I have yet to hear a single reasonable, moral argument for anyone having a higher authority over what happens to your kidneys than you yourself.
It's a commitment device.
Sometimes it can be beneficial to you to remove your own options- if you can prove to others that you've removed that option.
For example, look at the prisoners' dilemma. If both prisoners were able to commit, ahead of time, to not defect, this would be better for both prisoners. By removing a choice, and proving you have removed that choice, you actually get a better outcome than what would be possible if you could choose to defect.
This applies in asymmetric situations, too, like contract negotiations given a significant imbalance of bargaining power. It can be beneficial to the worker to, say, prevent themselves from ever agreeing to work in unsafe conditions, even if the boss offers extra pay for it (which the worker might want).
Thus selling organs, or selling your children to "adoptive" parents. It's not about somebody else having "authority"- it's about you intentionally burning bridges, provably pre-committing, removing the "choice" to do things which, on a societal level, could be harmful.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#244We’re legally unequipped to deal well with gig workers. They’re arguably neither contractors nor employees, and shoe horning them into either category will inevitably lead to some absurdities.
I'm wildly out of my depth, but why couldn't Uber drivers be regulated effectively as micro-franchises? The dynamics seem pretty similar -- drivers benefit from the Uber marketing, brand (which brings trust which is necessary in a business as personal as getting into a stranger's car) and "secret sauce" (the dispatch network and app experience). Uber wants to control some aspects of each "franchise" like the cleanlin…
AB5 is hitting such franchises pretty hard too.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
The requirements for contractors are (known as the ABC test)[0][1]: 1) Part A of the test requires that the worker is free from the control and direction of the hiring entity in connection with the performance of the work, both under the contract for the performance of the work and in fact; and 2) Part B of the test requires that the worker performs work that is outside the usual course of the hiring entity’s busines…
1) Uber drivers are totally at liberty to set their own hours, and drive in location of their choice ( destination are chosen by Uber, but a worker is at liberty to drive in San Jose one day and San Francisco the next). 2) The drivers are outside of Uber's business. Uber is a software and technology company, not a taxi service. 3) Drivers are independent workers, in business for themselves. 4) Same as above. With the…
> The drivers are outside of Uber's business. Uber is a software and technology company, not a taxi service.
That is some serious mental gymnastic.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#246> "What worker doesn't want to have access to paid sick leave?" Becerra said. "What worker doesn't want to have unemployment insurance at a time of Covid-19 crisis? What worker doesn't want to know that they'll get paid for overtime if they work 60 hours in a week or 12 hours in a day?" Since when are we reasoning about workers starting from what they want? If we go by that reasoning, "What worker does not want to be…
The question being posed isn't wrong, it's just incomplete: > "What worker doesn't want to have unemployment insurance at a time of Covid-19 crisis? What worker doesn't want to know that they'll get paid for overtime if they work 60 hours in a week or 12 hours in a day? What workers wouldn't trade their ability to set their own hours for these benefits? " The answer, as it turns out, is a lot of workers.
Desperation doesn't mean it's good.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#247I work at Uber outside of the rides/eats business and observed many feature releases to adjust the business after AB5. What I saw released: - Enabling drivers to see where a rider is going before accepting the trip [0] [2] - Removed a main penalty for declining rides, “No More 85% Acceptance Rate Requirement For Uber Pro” [2] - Drivers get set their own fare with a multiplier [1] (the article details screenshots and…
That's pretty interesting! In my view, the set your own fare part and penalty removal definitely moves them from the "employee" zone to "self-employed" in the everyday definition.
I guess AB5 is much more strict.
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Which is, of course, something Uber's done several times before. It's hardly cynical.
I lived through this in Austin. It's happening again.
Lyft also left Austin, so unless Lyft follows Uber and shuts down temporarily, it's not comparable. And Uber Eats also has large competitors in CA.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Let drivers set their own fare, for starter Uber has allowed this since June [1]. [1] https://www.uber.com/blog/california/set-your-fares/
Looking at this page, it seems like they can't set their fares, but only a "fare multiplier", so effectively, Uber still decides.
Are there any restrictions on what the multiplier can be? If not then they can effectively set the fare. The "standard" fare is $X per mile and I want $Y per mile. I just set the multiplier to Y/X
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#250I work at Uber outside of the rides/eats business and observed many feature releases to adjust the business after AB5. What I saw released: - Enabling drivers to see where a rider is going before accepting the trip [0] [2] - Removed a main penalty for declining rides, “No More 85% Acceptance Rate Requirement For Uber Pro” [2] - Drivers get set their own fare with a multiplier [1] (the article details screenshots and…
Ridiculous that it takes a legal battle for Uber to offer these customer and driver friendly features
How is removing upfront pricing friendly to customers? It's horrible UX.