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Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by pgeorgi »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #189
ghaff wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a pretty tough time to start-up a taxi service right now.

In a state that is already pissed off at Uber no less. Any uber-like operation is gonna get squashed by the .gov before it can get off the ground.

Work within the law and everything is fine. Uber routinely tries to avoid that (even when there are escape hatches available to them they don't use them; it really seems part of the DNA of that company to do things as shady as possible without actively killing people), both flaunting the protections intended by the laws and giving itself an advantage over their competitors who adhere to regulations.

Good riddance.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by runako »

hangonhn wrote: post #218
Aunche wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devil's advocate, even if they wanted to follow the law in good faith, they'd need to completely restructure their business. Until they can do so, they'd need to be shut down.

Can someone with legal expertise chime in but in cases like this, can a company like Uber lay out a plan for restructuring and be like "ok we'll comply but over the course of a year and here's the plan"? Or does it have to be done ASAP? The latter seems sort of infeasible. Curious about how these judgments are resolved. My feeling is that judges and the government aren't out there to hurt anyone since compliance is t…

Not a lawyer, but as a citizen why would we expect a company to be allowed to violate a law for an extended period of time after a court has ruled that the conduct is illegal?

That seems like the definition of capriciously applying laws, and would seem like it would create more problems arising from unequal application of laws.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

chrisco255 wrote: post #207
gamblor956 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right question is -- why is this forced onto Uber rather than being a question of national healthcare. Because one political party has spent the last 4 decades fighting to prevent "national healthcare," forcing states and businesses to deal with it. Hell, they've spent the last 10 years trying to demolish a law that the overwhelming majority of voters support, including those within their own party.

ACA (in particular the forced care provision) was extremely unpopular and it led to the formation of the Tea Party, which swept the House in 2010. There's many good reasons to avoid nationalized healthcare. Have you been to the post office or the DMV?

ACA was extremely unpopular because of how it was characterized. It is extremely popular today.

Have I been to the post office or the DMV? Sure. And when there are a ton of people who want to use a service, you tend to have to wait.

Have YOU been to a for-profit emergency room? Or a for-profit, non-fast-food restaurant? Hell, go to a Fed Ex or UPS store. They won't be perfect, and you will wait in line.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by ardy42 »

lghh wrote: post #100
XMPPwocky wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tragically, the state has also taken away my right to sell my kidneys for money, just trying to "protect" me. I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources?

> I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources? Yes.

>> I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources [by selling my kidney]?

> Yes.

By this logic, slavery should be legal, because people should have the freedom to sell themselves into it (for instance, to purchase medical care for a loved one).

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by mcherm »

chrisco255 wrote: post #207
gamblor956 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right question is -- why is this forced onto Uber rather than being a question of national healthcare. Because one political party has spent the last 4 decades fighting to prevent "national healthcare," forcing states and businesses to deal with it. Hell, they've spent the last 10 years trying to demolish a law that the overwhelming majority of voters support, including those within their own party.

ACA (in particular the forced care provision) was extremely unpopular and it led to the formation of the Tea Party, which swept the House in 2010. There's many good reasons to avoid nationalized healthcare. Have you been to the post office or the DMV?

> Have you been to the post office or the DMV?

Yes, I have. The post office seems to do an EXCELLENT job of delivering mail at an absurdly low price (for standard letters or postcards), although when I lived in Chicago for a few years I found that a certain portion of letters were never delivered.

A number of years ago the DMV (I was in New York and New Jersey at the time) offered terrible customer service; these days the DMV I have gone to (New Jersey and Pennsylvania) seem to do an excellent job.

What I can conclude from this is that quality varies, whether in private industry or public services.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by grogenaut »

Aunche wrote: post #204
ghaff wrote: post #43

Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to: - Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they - Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that - The state will reverse this judgement

To play devil's advocate, even if they wanted to follow the law in good faith, they'd need to completely restructure their business. Until they can do so, they'd need to be shut down.

To play devils advocate on your devils advocate, you used Uber and "good faith" in the same sentence, which they definitely haven't earned.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by kirykl »

pininja wrote: post #166

I work at Uber outside of the rides/eats business and observed many feature releases to adjust the business after AB5. What I saw released: - Enabling drivers to see where a rider is going before accepting the trip [0] [2] - Removed a main penalty for declining rides, “No More 85% Acceptance Rate Requirement For Uber Pro” [2] - Drivers get set their own fare with a multiplier [1] (the article details screenshots and…

Ridiculous that it takes a legal battle for Uber to offer these customer and driver friendly features

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by missedthecue »

typest wrote: post #120
lghh wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources? Yes.

To add onto this —- living with only one kidney rather than two only barely increases your risk of dying, and many people each year die due to lack of kidneys. So, creating a market here (regulated of course) would save a lot of lives.

Iran has an organ market and his has been a large success and has a very low rate of regret.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by zone411 »

aqme28 wrote: post #91
ghaff wrote: post #43

Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to: - Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they - Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that - The state will reverse this judgement

Uber isn't the only company who provides this commodity. If Lyft continues to operate, that certain class of urbanites will switch to Lyft before they complain to their reps.

Exactly, what the grandparent post suggests would be a really bad business move and is unlikely.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by justinzollars »

chillacy wrote: post #183
justinzollars wrote: post #137

I recommend reading the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. California will attack and attack and attack because those in government believes they are morally superior. The only way they will learn is when Capitalists fight back by "turning off the engine of the world". Who is John Galt?

In case someone actually wants to read Atlas Shrugged, I did actually read it. It's a fictional world where the strawmen business people are happen to always be good and moral, and are oppressed by the strawman government people who are bad and greedy. Also the author occasionally has her characters go on multi-page speeches, for instance about how we ought to be using gold for currency. In case it's not clear, Atlas…

Francisco D'Anconia's Money Speech - Atlas Shrugged (poor quality): https://youtu.be/u-T0ey0IKDA
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