wondering does the same law applicable to Instacart, Postmates etc..?
Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
The right question is -- why is this forced onto Uber rather than being a question of national healthcare. Because one political party has spent the last 4 decades fighting to prevent "national healthcare," forcing states and businesses to deal with it. Hell, they've spent the last 10 years trying to demolish a law that the overwhelming majority of voters support, including those within their own party.
Totally agree on the root cause here. Curious though - can California deal with this by offering some a state-level single-payer benefit and charging employers? That would be a broader solution that would address many things in one swoop.
They have tried, but the aforementioned political party blocked such efforts at the state level in the past, and currently federal law (again, due to that same political party) requires the state to get permission from the federal government to implement a single-payer healthcare system.
However, as currently envisioned, the single-payer system would not charge employers; it would be part of the taxes levied on all taxpayers (including employers), which would spread out the costs more.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#183I recommend reading the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. California will attack and attack and attack because those in government believes they are morally superior. The only way they will learn is when Capitalists fight back by "turning off the engine of the world". Who is John Galt?
In case someone actually wants to read Atlas Shrugged, I did actually read it. It's a fictional world where the strawmen business people are happen to always be good and moral, and are oppressed by the strawman government people who are bad and greedy. Also the author occasionally has her characters go on multi-page speeches, for instance about how we ought to be using gold for currency.
In case it's not clear, Atlas Shrugged is a piece of fiction and using it to draw parallels to reality is like saying "I recommend watching Disney's The Lion King. Zoos keep hogs apart from lions because they think they can't get along".
As a sidenote to balance my scathing review, I rather liked one of her earlier novels, Fountainhead. If you want to read an Ayn Rand novel I'd go for that one, as it's more about a type of "rugged individualism" than an economic system. It directly grapples at the question of the nature of invention/innovation: whether as a product of individual genius or standing on the shoulder of giants. Obviously the novel has an answer but it's not exactly a solved question in real life, and at least some of Ellsworth Toohey's quotes aren't half bad.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#184Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to: - Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they - Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that - The state will reverse this judgement
That’s not cynical, that sounds wholesome. That’s exactly how democracy should work. I expect you are one of those urbanites because you haven’t mentioned the drivers being the loudest voice for changing this judgement. They are the ones suffering from this faux-compassion via authoritarian judges who think marketplaces aren’t legitimate businesses (someone tell NASDAQ, the App Store and play store, Steam, malls, etc.)
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#185Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to: - Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they - Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that - The state will reverse this judgement
I'm sure there's part of that, and there's nothing wrong with that. This is a bad law. The other part are the logistics of creating a set of new policies, and systems to adhere to this law - which takes time.
It's not a bad law - if Uber can't operate in compliance with it, it has a bad business model.
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#186Seems like a fair outcome to me. If they can't operate within the law, they shouldn't operate.
Not unless the law is broken.
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#187I work at Uber outside of the rides/eats business and observed many feature releases to adjust the business after AB5. What I saw released: - Enabling drivers to see where a rider is going before accepting the trip [0] [2] - Removed a main penalty for declining rides, “No More 85% Acceptance Rate Requirement For Uber Pro” [2] - Drivers get set their own fare with a multiplier [1] (the article details screenshots and…
i was unaware of these changes, its interesting to see the changes that were made. it will be interesting to see how they effect riders/drivers over time. thank you for the post.
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#188Want to be free to have a random part-time gig you can pick up whenever you want? Nope, do-gooders are going to do-good you into a wage slave job like everyone else.
Tragically, the state has also taken away my right to sell my kidneys for money, just trying to "protect" me. I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources?
I have yet to hear a single reasonable, moral argument for anyone having a higher authority over what happens to your kidneys than you yourself.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would also be an opportunity for a competitor to get a foothold.
Seems like a pretty tough time to start-up a taxi service right now.
In a state that is already pissed off at Uber no less. Any uber-like operation is gonna get squashed by the .gov before it can get off the ground.
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#190They’re protesting. Shocker. Not surprising, given their business model is built on taking advantage of their drivers working themselves and their vehicles into the bone. They did not design their company to equitably distribute the share of profit and productivity gains, they are an extractive company.