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How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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It’s clearly not the case for everyone, but I struggled for an extended period of time with a few things in my personal and professional life: 1. Remarkable focus in topics which interest me and remarkable lack of focus in topics which do not. 2. Leaving “must do” tasks in areas of little interest until the very last moment, resulting in a predictable lack of excellence in execution. 3. Periodic deep dives into topic…

Whilst furloughed from my job during lockdown, I found myself bouncing off the walls at home consistently enough to finally seek out the ADHD diagnosis I’ve always suspected. I’m 29 years old, and one of my earliest memories is of my parents (lovingly) threatening to put an electric fence around my seat at the dinner table. I’d be up and down like a yo-yo after each mouthful. For the last 5 years, “my friend” has bee…

28 years old and just got diagnosed.

Do it - it makes a difference. I was amazed how much meds helped me. I'm far more productive doing tasks that are boring.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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post #141

What if procrastination was the simple act of postponing something just because... you can . Erase the 9-5, the arbitrary deadlines, the impossible requests of a boss, a client or a partner. Poof! Procrastination conceptually ceases to exist. It's ok to do nothing for 2 days and then put in 12 hours straight of purely productive coding, if you are not supposed to follow a specific timetable. It's ok to be a few days…

> Because, let's face it, nobody in their right mind procrastinates if their livelihood is on the line or if it means letting someone down.

I see you've never met a person with impaired executive function.

It's frustrating and heartbreaking to watch an otherwise intelligent and capable person just...stop living.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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post #152

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I don't think that is the case for many people, myself included. There are two sides to this not being the best way to think of it for some: - slipping on deadlines becomes cumulative and does affect your career or business; the more work that is delayed, the most difficult it seems to be to ever catch up - there is a fast-approaching deadline for all of us, and I don't want to look back on what may be my last decade…

What if you framed those 2 problems (having to catch up and not wanting to realize you watched too much Netflix) as self imposed goals? Then you'd have to answer the question: why do you feel the need to catch up (unless not catching up leads to consequences that would make you feel even worse and from which you cannot recover)? Why do you feel like spending most of the time on Netflix or Steam is a waste of time? Wh…

I personally don't feel contentment can come without some form of productivity, not that it has to be a traditional concept of work. I think not having goals is a breeding ground for discontent and depression.

But like everything else, it often depends on personal experience.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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post #111

It’s clearly not the case for everyone, but I struggled for an extended period of time with a few things in my personal and professional life: 1. Remarkable focus in topics which interest me and remarkable lack of focus in topics which do not. 2. Leaving “must do” tasks in areas of little interest until the very last moment, resulting in a predictable lack of excellence in execution. 3. Periodic deep dives into topic…

Why see a psychiatrist? Are those really things to 'fix' on the whole - given the upsides? I'm incredibly energetic. I can't sit down for long - so I just stand in meetings. TV is a waste of time, so is social small talk, I do what I care about (and it rewarded me well). I've just felt like the speed, risk tolerance, freedom it provides me, and intuition make a powerful combination. I'd say the ADHD (if it is) makes…

ADHD has a wide spectrum, people with real ADHD cannot function without medication ( speaking as a parent with a child who has it). Yes, without medication he would either be not focussed or hyper focussed. But, the biggest issue is lack of executive function, which is debilitating. And, no matter what, real life needs you to be able to follow instructions, and do things in order. If a 7 year old with a simple life cannot function, think what it can do to an adult? The medication helps, but it's a process, and you have to find the right one and the correct dosage. Added to that, you need a competent psychiatrist, we lucked out after a few tries. Basically what the medication is doing is strengthening the neural connections, so that executive function becomes a habit, to the point where you don't need it. If you do it right 50% of people with ADHD won't need it. And, you can be a genius but if you lack executive function, you can't do basic everyday things, let alone complex tasks. Somehow the media has started painting ADHD as some kind of superpower, when it's a serious debilitating condition.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Some time back, I read all I could on procrastination, and watched dozens of videos on it, and by far the best thing I found on it was this video by Tim Pychyl: [1] It focuses particularly on procrastination in graduate school, but is widely applicable elsewhere. One of the key insights that Pychyl, a psychologist who studies procrastination, had is that procrastination is not (as is commonly believed) a time managem…

I watched the talk and found it interesting. Thanks for the link!

One thing that I was surprised to see was the "ego depletion / willpower is like a muscle" discussion at the end. Did you encounter that a lot in your reading?

I recently saw this article: https://hbr.org/2016/11/have-we-been-thinking-about-willpowe...

In summary, they failed to reproduce a classic experiment for ego depletion, and propose some other theories. Some of the theories proposed imply that holding the _belief_ that willpower is a finite resource is self-fulfilling.

Looking on HN for "ego depletion", a number of articles have been posted regarding the reproducibility of that particular theory.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12068444 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11239674 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16117314

Overall, this leaves me very skeptical about any advice about what procrastination is and how to fix it.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Some time back, I read all I could on procrastination, and watched dozens of videos on it, and by far the best thing I found on it was this video by Tim Pychyl: [1] It focuses particularly on procrastination in graduate school, but is widely applicable elsewhere. One of the key insights that Pychyl, a psychologist who studies procrastination, had is that procrastination is not (as is commonly believed) a time managem…

I also found this video very interesting and I took some notes while watching it. Thank you.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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post #66

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I really do hope your page helps some people with their procrastination issues. But I can't help feel like your whole approach suffers from engineers disease. But maybe that's what will resonate with some folks. A compassionate therapist can also do wonders for procrastination.

> engineers disease what do you mean by that?

> engineers disease

Just a guess:

> jumping straight to proposing solutions rather than working with people to understand the problem 1st. “You think you know enough to solve the problem”. [0]

[0] https://accessgranted.nz/episodes/2016/9/6/ep-98-engineers-d...

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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> Apparently this is a pretty common story for people with ADHD who weren't diagnosed as children, so a specialist won't be particularly surprised by it. This is very true. And it's not even just due to lack of access to mental health care as a child: everyone over a certain age will have grown up before "ADHD" was a recognized disorder, and thus couldn't have been diagnosed with it no matter what their symptoms were…

It's a lot better recognized and studied than it was in the 80s and 90s. Especially the recognition that while for some it goes into remission (somehow???) or at least becomes sub-clinical, there are a large number of us who continue to struggle with it our whole lives. It's kind of demeaning when it's seen as a children's disorder. When you're a kid it's not that bad cos you have structure provided for you and littl…

> You're just a constant pain in the ass

Not as much with inattentive-subtype. Then you just spend lots of time reading and are somewhat disorganized.

Until you get to adulthood.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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It’s clearly not the case for everyone, but I struggled for an extended period of time with a few things in my personal and professional life: 1. Remarkable focus in topics which interest me and remarkable lack of focus in topics which do not. 2. Leaving “must do” tasks in areas of little interest until the very last moment, resulting in a predictable lack of excellence in execution. 3. Periodic deep dives into topic…

Obviously you feel the medication is useful, but do you think just knowing vs the medication has any positive benefit? I have read dozens of articles online, and replies like yours and can always relate extremely well to all of the symptoms. Taken the online quizzes and all that. I am pretty much certain I have ADHD. And I have known for years. But, I have educated myself on it, understand how I work (or don't work)…

Medication has been truly life-changing for me. The ability to actually follow through on things within a day is amazing.
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