Why would they bank on voters? Do they really think people are going to vote against driver protections in california?
Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
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Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#42We’re legally unequipped to deal well with gig workers. They’re arguably neither contractors nor employees, and shoe horning them into either category will inevitably lead to some absurdities.
> We’re legally unequipped to deal well with gig workers.
Yes we are equipped to deal well with gig workers, it's just that Uber doesn't want to play by the rules and want to have it both ways. Let drivers set their own fare, for starter. "Gig workers" aren't a new category of workers just because you use some corporate newspeak to describe these workers.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#43Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to:
- Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they
- Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that
- The state will reverse this judgement
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#44Want to be free to have a random part-time gig you can pick up whenever you want? Nope, do-gooders are going to do-good you into a wage slave job like everyone else.
Tragically, the state has also taken away my right to sell my kidneys for money, just trying to "protect" me. I'm an adult, if I want the money isn't it strictly better than I have the freedom to cash in on my human resources?
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
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Same could be said about human traffickers and crack dealers. Won't somebody think of these "workers?"
This doesn't make sense. It sounds like you are equating Uber drivers to human traffickers and crack dealers.
They're all just trying to make a living. And let me remind you that Uber drivers have been caught providing drugs, being prostitutes, and even going on serial murder sprees. All while behind the wheel.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Uber hasn't been preparing internally for the possibility of losing this suit, they've been irresponsible in the hopes that California would go "oh shit, they're gonna shoot the hostage".
Well, I'm sure they have. They fundamentally disagree with the outcome, and so they will just not operate in California. Nobody will because the business model won't allow you to pay people enough money without charging too much. I also fundamentally agree with Uber and others here. They created a platform for someone to make a few bucks. If I sell something on Etsy they don't have to all of a sudden pay for my healt…
“Nobody will” is a bet, mostly on history of the last 30 years of winning these bets. If/when someone does do it, being a business that drew a line in the sand is going to make it difficult to adapt. Playing regulatory games is hard.
People are voting & doing something with their democracy; that’s how this passed. And they’ll have another choice when they vote on the prop. You’re tired of people leaning a certain way, I’m tired of people coming up with really cheap shots just because they don’t like outcomes. Get a cup of coffee.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I'm sure they have. They fundamentally disagree with the outcome, and so they will just not operate in California. Nobody will because the business model won't allow you to pay people enough money without charging too much. I also fundamentally agree with Uber and others here. They created a platform for someone to make a few bucks. If I sell something on Etsy they don't have to all of a sudden pay for my healt…
comparing uber and etsy is dishonest at best. The only freedom an uber contractor has is "when to work". All the pricing and trips are decided by uber, and they can't even reject properly. They are in fact an employees in everything but legal status. In etsy, you choose your prices, what you sell, and even to whom you sell to, it's definitely a market place.
If this truly is an invalid business model (riders can't/refuse to pay driver's full salary + benefits), then a lot of people willing to work at these lower rates will be losing their jobs / extra income.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Uber hasn't been preparing internally for the possibility of losing this suit, they've been irresponsible in the hopes that California would go "oh shit, they're gonna shoot the hostage".
Well, I'm sure they have. They fundamentally disagree with the outcome, and so they will just not operate in California. Nobody will because the business model won't allow you to pay people enough money without charging too much. I also fundamentally agree with Uber and others here. They created a platform for someone to make a few bucks. If I sell something on Etsy they don't have to all of a sudden pay for my healt…
I think the key part of your post is:
> the business model won't allow you to pay people enough money
Doesn't sound viable, does it?
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And also sounds great for those that now have to wait for an hour+ for a taxi or maybe not have a ride at all.
This was the killer feature for those too young to remember a life before Uber. Back when I used to drink at bars it was so frustrating to call different cab companies and have them all say they're "5 minutes away." I felt and continue to feel no sorrow for those cab companies that Uber decimated.
Not to mention safety. My female friends all felt far safer with Uber than Taxis.
Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California
#50If a ridesharing platform can't classify drivers as contractors for legal reason, and if they can't classify drivers as employees for business reasons[1], can they classify drivers as owners? It's certainly legal for small businesses not to pay reasonable wages or benefits to their owners.
This ruling may give a substantial advantage to a ride-sharing service structured as a worker's co-operative. That'd be awesome, IMO.
1: this is a very big if