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The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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I have a very-soon-merging neutron star pair to sell to you.

"You want to be on the ground floor of this IPO because I'm telling you it's going to just be exploding gold (and other elements)."

Radioactive gold, at that.

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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It would be cool to see this made into a series of pie charts (one for each element) where the relative area of each pie chart is dictated by the relative abundance of each element.

100+ pie charts? That sounds even worse than just one pie chart -- though given H and He make up ~98% of everything, squeezing the data into one pie chart would make it extra-awful.

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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post #63

It would be cool to see this made into a series of pie charts (one for each element) where the relative area of each pie chart is dictated by the relative abundance of each element.

100+ pie charts? That sounds even worse than just one pie chart -- though given H and He make up ~98% of everything, squeezing the data into one pie chart would make it extra-awful.

I don’t see how it would be awful. It would give the same information but also show how much matter is from each source. Vector graphics eliminate resolution concerns. Just zoom past hydrogen if it’s taking up 98% of the screen.

Edit: to be clear: the reason it would “be cool to see” is because it’s visualizing data. It’s what graphs are for. I don’t care about the pies of the pie charts. I care about being able to see the relative quantity of the colors and to also see the distribution of discrete element quantities in one image. There are many ways to do this. If you have a better suggestion, suggest it.

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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Two neutron stars merging is an extremely energetic event which emits vast amounts of degenerate neutron star material at speeds above escape velocity. Pretty much instantly after this material is liberated from the pressure and gravity of the neutron star, it starts decaying into normal matter, producing a vast menagerie of (generally very neutron-rich) elements, which then follow their decay chains until they end u…

"it starts decaying into normal matter" Thanks - I had managed to miss the fact that being made in a neutron star collision implies that things like gold were once part of neutron stars . I think this exceeds the coolness of having been in a supernova.

The collision is messy and it splatters a huge amount of neutronium into space. This dissociates into a very hot mist of heavy elements, which eventually mixes into the surrounding nebula. The proto-solar disk was formed from this mixture.

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100+ pie charts? That sounds even worse than just one pie chart -- though given H and He make up ~98% of everything, squeezing the data into one pie chart would make it extra-awful.

I don’t see how it would be awful. It would give the same information but also show how much matter is from each source. Vector graphics eliminate resolution concerns. Just zoom past hydrogen if it’s taking up 98% of the screen. Edit: to be clear: the reason it would “be cool to see” is because it’s visualizing data. It’s what graphs are for. I don’t care about the pies of the pie charts. I care about being able to s…

So you want to see the ratio of origin of all elements, but grouped by element? (one chart per element I think you said originally).

This is what the image in TFA actually has -- each element has one or more colours within its rectangle, and I assume that the proportion of each colour reflects relative provenance for that particular element.

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how it would be awful. It would give the same information but also show how much matter is from each source. Vector graphics eliminate resolution concerns. Just zoom past hydrogen if it’s taking up 98% of the screen. Edit: to be clear: the reason it would “be cool to see” is because it’s visualizing data. It’s what graphs are for. I don’t care about the pies of the pie charts. I care about being able to s…

So you want to see the ratio of origin of all elements, but grouped by element? (one chart per element I think you said originally). This is what the image in TFA actually has -- each element has one or more colours within its rectangle, and I assume that the proportion of each colour reflects relative provenance for that particular element.

Yes, but the information of the abundance of each element is not present. If that information was added into this plot then the relative amount of each color would be the relative abundance of the origin of elements.

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want to see the ratio of origin of all elements, but grouped by element? (one chart per element I think you said originally). This is what the image in TFA actually has -- each element has one or more colours within its rectangle, and I assume that the proportion of each colour reflects relative provenance for that particular element.

Yes, but the information of the abundance of each element is not present. If that information was added into this plot then the relative amount of each color would be the relative abundance of the origin of elements.

I think it'd be a fairly difficult breakdown to represent usefully, given four elements (H, He, O, C) make up 99.4% of all matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elem...

Re: The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of each element

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post #69

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Yes, but the information of the abundance of each element is not present. If that information was added into this plot then the relative amount of each color would be the relative abundance of the origin of elements.

I think it'd be a fairly difficult breakdown to represent usefully, given four elements (H, He, O, C) make up 99.4% of all matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elem...

I don’t see how an extreme distribution makes the representation less useful. See: vector images. In fact, the large disparity is relative abundance of elements is why it would be even more useful. A periodic table says next to nothing about how much matter has gone through nucleosynthesis since the big bang. You could show that with one pie chart, but then you lose the information about the distribution of masses. You haven’t given a good reason why it wouldn’t be useful to have all three pieces of information in one graph.
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