This is a very short-sighted move, it will lead to lower investments from China to US in tech and other sectors.
Less CCP involvement in the USA and the world is a good thing. Less CCP control of China would also be a good thing.
Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China
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Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China
#42Apple can issue a custom certificate with unlimited installs to sort of side load it outside AppStore. Similar to enterprise certs.
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Whenever someone says this, I ask them which companies are banned (far fewer than many Westerners seem to think), and point out that Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa.
I think we're talking about Google, Facebook and gaming consoles. Do you really think that is a strong argument? We're cutting some Chinese companies out for some reasons, some of which are privacy, some of which are ideological (protectionist/privacy), some of which are petty. They cut some western companies out for some reasons, some of which are content based, some of which are ideological (content/privacy), some…
No, they are being cut out because they are owned by Communists who have over a million people in forced re-education camps and have ambitions of replacing the US as the global superpower.
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Whenever someone says this, I ask them which companies are banned (far fewer than many Westerners seem to think), and point out that Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa.
Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa Except at Wal-Mart. Where non-Chinese goods are so rare they get special labels and promotion.
And Amazon, and Ebay
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#45Hmmm, China bans western companies, but complains when the behavior is reciprocated.
China doesn't ban western companies because they're western, but because they refuse to follow local laws. LinkedIn and Bing show that when a company follows local laws, it can operate.
WeChat and TikTok are being banned simply because they are Chinese.
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The administration doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make such a demand.
The administration has not let constitutional limitations hinder any of their decisions. The problem with Constitutional "authority" is that it relies on good faith, as the government is really just policing itself. If a President asks 'who is going to stop me?', they will quickly find out the answer is 'nobody.'
Which was the problem many people foresaw when the last administration did it. They set the precedent, or pushed at its boundaries. "If they can do it... so can we..." It's the main problem with any governmental structure. If it exists, sooner or later it's bound to cut in what we consider the wrong direction.
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#47Hmmm, China bans western companies, but complains when the behavior is reciprocated.
China doesn't ban western companies because they're western, but because they refuse to follow local laws. LinkedIn and Bing show that when a company follows local laws, it can operate. WeChat and TikTok are being banned simply because they are Chinese.
WeChat has sent information from Chinese people in America to the Chinese government to help the Chinese government punish those people.
That is against the law in the U.S.
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While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they want to go that way; the currently announced prohibition, as far as I understand, would prohibit Apple to support WeChat anywhere no matter if it allows installing WeChat for a US phone this way or not.
... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.
> I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs.
It makes them feel powerful. So there's at least one reason.
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#49Hmmm, China bans western companies, but complains when the behavior is reciprocated.
The problem isn't that banning WeChat and TikTok hurts China.
The problem is that it hurts America and Americans.
It hurts Americans that want to use these apps, and it hurts Americans that work at these companies (TikTok has a lot of American employees). It also has broader ramifications (damages the rule of law, dis-incentivizes foreign investment in the U.S., and so on).
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... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.
> I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. It makes them feel powerful. So there's at least one reason.
Haha. But yes, maybe, even if it's sad to see the US government at the level of a 6 year old.
Well there's 45 days to lobby. Apple will be inconvenienced even by Americans with Chinese background and iphones. A large chunk of them switching to rooted Android versions will not be good news to Apple (or Google, for that matter.) And I think they will, seeing how dependent many are on weChat.