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Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#31

Hmmm, China bans western companies, but complains when the behavior is reciprocated.

Whenever someone says this, I ask them which companies are banned (far fewer than many Westerners seem to think), and point out that Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be legal for American companies to ignore American laws on foreign land? It doesn't sound plausible

It depends on how intense the law/sanctions are. Example, no US company can trade/do business with Iran,even indirectly. The Trump administration also made it difficult for other countries to do business with Iran, makes it almost impossible for any other country to business with them.Hence, Iran's economy is in the toilet, and it can only trade with Russia, China and the middle eastern countries they have high-influ…

For anyone who didn't know what was meant by 'the new Silk Road':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#33

Hmmm, China bans western companies, but complains when the behavior is reciprocated.

Whenever someone says this, I ask them which companies are banned (far fewer than many Westerners seem to think), and point out that Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa.

Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa

Except at Wal-Mart. Where non-Chinese goods are so rare they get special labels and promotion.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#34

Hmmm, China bans western companies, but complains when the behavior is reciprocated.

Whenever someone says this, I ask them which companies are banned (far fewer than many Westerners seem to think), and point out that Western companies are far more ubiquitous in China than vice versa.

I think we're talking about Google, Facebook and gaming consoles.

Do you really think that is a strong argument? We're cutting some Chinese companies out for some reasons, some of which are privacy, some of which are ideological (protectionist/privacy), some of which are petty. They cut some western companies out for some reasons, some of which are content based, some of which are ideological (content/privacy), some of which are petty.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#35
post #18

This is a very short-sighted move, it will lead to lower investments from China to US in tech and other sectors.

Does that mean western organizations will finally stop censoring western people living in western countries? Will they finally stop banning people for voicing support for democracy in Hong Kong? Or for condemning concentration camps in Xinjiang? Will they finally stop ruining their products in their attempt to be granted access to the Chinese market? Will western employees finally be able to ‘like’ a tweet thanking t…

Does that mean western organizations will finally stop censoring western people living in western countries?

For me, the big test will be the NBA.

It has stated that it will allow players to display social justice messages on their jerseys. It has also punished people for supporting Hong Kong.

If I had a million dollars, I'd pay some big name basketball star to put "Free Hong Kong" on his jersey, just to watch the fireworks.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on how intense the law/sanctions are. Example, no US company can trade/do business with Iran,even indirectly. The Trump administration also made it difficult for other countries to do business with Iran, makes it almost impossible for any other country to business with them.Hence, Iran's economy is in the toilet, and it can only trade with Russia, China and the middle eastern countries they have high-influ…

For anyone who didn't know what was meant by 'the new Silk Road': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

Thank you!

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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It would be trivial for the admin to say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, and trivial for Apple to implement it. There's little to gain from blocking wechat in china, so I don't think they will cut in their own flesh. Unless there are ways (via VPN etc) to temporarily switch a phone to the Chinese appstore and install wechat for a US phone this way.

Would it be legal for American companies to ignore American laws on foreign land? It doesn't sound plausible

People regularly go to prison for violating US trade sanctions. The majority of Apple's employees including all of their executives are in the US and easy to find. I doubt any of them are volunteering to test the boundaries of US trade sanctions.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be legal for American companies to ignore American laws on foreign land? It doesn't sound plausible

A presidential order is not a law, and if unconstitutional like this one, never has to be obeyed anywhere.

never has to be obeyed anywhere

That's not how it works. It has to be obeyed until invalidated by a court.

You can't just tell a law enforcement agency, "I know the president said x, but that's unconstitutional."

Law enforcement is not lawyers, or constitutional scholars. That's for the judiciary to sort out.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#39

This is meaningless. If Wechat is really banned Tencent (or a shell company owned by Tencent) will just spring up another app with a different name that connects to the same data centers and put it on the App Store. Wechat is pretty much the RPC-equivalence of Facebook+Whatsapp with Paypal integrated, used by pretty much everyone on the mainland as well as RPC who are overseas but still want or need to be part of the…

> If Wechat is really banned Tencent (or a shell company owned by Tencent) will just spring up another app with a different name that connects to the same data centers and put it on the App Store.

IIRC the executive order doesn't address WeChat/TikTok directly, but instead forbids interactions with their parent companies. I think this means that the ban can't be worked around by just reskinning the app. Not sure how it would work with shell companies, though.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

#40

This is a very short-sighted move, it will lead to lower investments from China to US in tech and other sectors.

you are not `long`-sighted either, once you get all these CCP money, then you have to bend your knees to china whenever they demand. just like Hollywood, NBA...etc.
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