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Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

golem14 wrote: post #7

PeterisP wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they want to go that way; the currently announced prohibition, as far as I understand, would prohibit Apple to support WeChat anywhere no matter if it allows installing WeChat for a US phone this way or not.

... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.

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Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by leptoniscool » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

This is a very short-sighted move, it will lead to lower investments from China to US in tech and other sectors.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by DataWorker » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

golem14 wrote: post #7

PeterisP wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they want to go that way; the currently announced prohibition, as far as I understand, would prohibit Apple to support WeChat anywhere no matter if it allows installing WeChat for a US phone this way or not.

... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.

You just described the past few decades of the whole of the DC elites thinking about China. The goose is a Trojan horse as any idiot can see. Sell out the future of democracy to keep apple stock price soaring. Short sighted indeed.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by scarface74 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

PeterisP wrote: post #5

golem14 wrote: post #2

It would be trivial for the admin to say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, and trivial for Apple to implement it. There's little to gain from blocking wechat in china, so I don't think they will cut in their own flesh. Unless there are ways (via VPN etc) to temporarily switch a phone to the Chinese appstore and install wechat for a US phone this way.

While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they want to go that way; the currently announced prohibition, as far as I understand, would prohibit Apple to support WeChat anywhere no matter if it allows installing WeChat for a US phone this way or not.

Cook has already kissed the Golden Ring with the “Apple is building Mac Pros in the USA” [1] photo ops where Cook stood silently by while Trump exaggerated what Apple is doing. Cook can easily get that limited to the US.

Besides, Apple is isn’t in the same boat as Google or Facebook where Trump is targeting because Apple is “unfair to conservatives” nor does he have the personal animosity he has toward Amazon because Bezos owns the Washington Post.

[1] Apple is only doing final assembly of MacPros designated for the US in the US. They are doing the same thing in other countries so they can say they are manufacturing Mac Pros in their country.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by scarface74 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

DataWorker wrote: post #13

golem14 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.

You just described the past few decades of the whole of the DC elites thinking about China. The goose is a Trojan horse as any idiot can see. Sell out the future of democracy to keep apple stock price soaring. Short sighted indeed.

Did you watch the Senate hearing with the tech CEOs? Half were more concerned about “big tech being mean to conservatives” than they were about doing anything “for Democracy”.

And then you had the one representative grilling Zuckerberg about Twitter’s policies.

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by golem14 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

DataWorker wrote: post #13

golem14 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.

You just described the past few decades of the whole of the DC elites thinking about China. The goose is a Trojan horse as any idiot can see. Sell out the future of democracy to keep apple stock price soaring. Short sighted indeed.

How is letting Apple running localized chat apps in China selling out our future democracy?

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by scarface74 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #8

PeterisP wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they want to go that way; the currently announced prohibition, as far as I understand, would prohibit Apple to support WeChat anywhere no matter if it allows installing WeChat for a US phone this way or not.

The administration doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make such a demand.

You mean like the four “executive orders” (really just one) he issued in response to the Congressional stalemate to Covid.

Who is going to reign him? The Senate? Federal judges who he appointed?

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by abc-xyz » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

leptoniscool wrote: post #12

This is a very short-sighted move, it will lead to lower investments from China to US in tech and other sectors.

Does that mean western organizations will finally stop censoring western people living in western countries? Will they finally stop banning people for voicing support for democracy in Hong Kong? Or for condemning concentration camps in Xinjiang? Will they finally stop ruining their products in their attempt to be granted access to the Chinese market? Will western employees finally be able to ‘like’ a tweet thanking their company for listing Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan on their website without being fired?

Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by apta » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:23 PM UTC

leptoniscool wrote: post #12

This is a very short-sighted move, it will lead to lower investments from China to US in tech and other sectors.

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Re: Trump's WeChat ban threatens Apple's smartphone sales in China

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 5:24 PM UTC

golem14 wrote: post #2

It would be trivial for the admin to say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, and trivial for Apple to implement it. There's little to gain from blocking wechat in china, so I don't think they will cut in their own flesh. Unless there are ways (via VPN etc) to temporarily switch a phone to the Chinese appstore and install wechat for a US phone this way.

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