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The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The geographical indication in the EU is used to protect a product's name/brand, not stop it from being produced outside that area. I can make Aceto Balsamico in my basement the traditional way (I'd need a basement first), and can sell it, but not call Aceto Balsamico.

> The geographical indication in the EU is used to protect a product's name/brand, not stop it from being produced outside that area. I can make Aceto Balsamico in my basement the traditional way (I'd need a basement first), and can sell it, but not call Aceto Balsamico. And this is exactly what happens in Italy, too; I did my apprenticeship there and ran a Kitchen in Emilia Romanga, where quite honestly it seems eve…

I don't want to seem too much a nitpicker on your spelling but:

>to an apperativo or as an anti-pasti

should be written as "an aperitivo or as an antipasto".

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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post #9

> the Sarawak government designated it as a “protected geographical indicator,” decreeing that true kek lapis Sarawak can only be made within state borders I love stuff like this... a governmental body’s deliberate grab for extra- territorial authority. We have similar things in Italy (D.O.C.: Denominazione di Origine Controllata , meaning “Name with a Controlled Origin”) but at least that’s substantiated by a E.U.-l…

Is this substantially different than governments allowing you to sell something called "Cola" but not something called "Coca-Cola"?

Very good point... You’ve triggered off the famous gif of Captain Mal from Serenity having is “uh ah um” moment...

Fundamentally I’m going to answer that you’ve hot the nail on the head: enforcement of franchises, parents, or brand-names is fundamentally equivalent. In the case of geography-based names, I suppose you could say you’re buying into equity capitalised in the finite supply of land (“buy land, they’re not making any more of it”) as opposed to equity in brand recognition.

It’s all arbitrary.

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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post #2

These are beautiful. I worked in a Malaysian restaurant as a young adult and unfortunately they didn't serve cakes. I'm a little saddened to think I may never get to experience one.

When Covid calms down, Sarawak is a wonderful place to visit.

Agreed. Kuching makes a fantastic base, and it's remarkably easy to visit the incredible, diverse places across the state. My partner and I visited in Autumn 2019 and had an amazing time. Highly recommend Bako national park in particular!

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The geographical indication in the EU is used to protect a product's name/brand, not stop it from being produced outside that area. I can make Aceto Balsamico in my basement the traditional way (I'd need a basement first), and can sell it, but not call Aceto Balsamico.

> The geographical indication in the EU is used to protect a product's name/brand, not stop it from being produced outside that area. I can make Aceto Balsamico in my basement the traditional way (I'd need a basement first), and can sell it, but not call Aceto Balsamico. And this is exactly what happens in Italy, too; I did my apprenticeship there and ran a Kitchen in Emilia Romanga, where quite honestly it seems eve…

I don’t see the issue with these kind of protections. If there were none, some massive corporation would come in, make a cheaper, worse version with the same name, and put the original makers out of business. Consumers lose, small businesses lose, local communities lose, and the only winner is BigCo.

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The geographical indication in the EU is used to protect a product's name/brand, not stop it from being produced outside that area. I can make Aceto Balsamico in my basement the traditional way (I'd need a basement first), and can sell it, but not call Aceto Balsamico. And this is exactly what happens in Italy, too; I did my apprenticeship there and ran a Kitchen in Emilia Romanga, where quite honestly it seems eve…

I don't want to seem too much a nitpicker on your spelling but: >to an apperativo or as an anti-pasti should be written as "an aperitivo or as an antipasto".

Is antipasti not the plural of antipasto?

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

#27
post #7

When I was living in Labuan most food places sold cakes (usually a simpler pattern) and nasi lemak (coconut rice topped with sambal and wrapped in a banana leaf) for breakfast. Maybe an acquired taste but I found the amount of butter and oil a bit sickly.

Nasi lemak is one of the worlds great dishes, at any time of the day!

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to seem too much a nitpicker on your spelling but: >to an apperativo or as an anti-pasti should be written as "an aperitivo or as an antipasto".

Is antipasti not the plural of antipasto?

Yes, antipasti is the plural of antipasto, and as such you cannot say "an antipasti", but anti-pasto or anti-pasti is improper as it would sound as someone that is "against meals".

Antipasto is a composed word, made from ante- (the prefix of latin origin meaning before) and pasto (meal). The ante in composed words is sometimes changed into anti, but the word is a known one and has no hyphen.

Whilst there are a number of accepted words including the prefix anti- (which comes from Greek and means "against") the prefix (usually including the hyphen) is instead used to make new derivatives/neologisms, i.e. if you are against (say) smoking, you are anti-fumo or antifumo (and then antifumo without hyphen might become an accepted word in the dictionary if it becomes of common use)

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

#29
post #9

> the Sarawak government designated it as a “protected geographical indicator,” decreeing that true kek lapis Sarawak can only be made within state borders I love stuff like this... a governmental body’s deliberate grab for extra- territorial authority. We have similar things in Italy (D.O.C.: Denominazione di Origine Controllata , meaning “Name with a Controlled Origin”) but at least that’s substantiated by a E.U.-l…

Is this substantially different than governments allowing you to sell something called "Cola" but not something called "Coca-Cola"?

Yes. In one, this refers to a specific company's product with a pretty standardised output.

The dop designation however refers to the food itself, and can be manufactured by multiple independent entities with no explicit association. A more proper analogy world be the government backing you from selling cola, but allowing "cola style soda"

Re: The mesmerizing geometry of Malaysia’s most complex cakes

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is antipasti not the plural of antipasto?

Yes, antipasti is the plural of antipasto, and as such you cannot say "an antipasti", but anti-pasto or anti-pasti is improper as it would sound as someone that is "against meals". Antipasto is a composed word, made from ante- (the prefix of latin origin meaning before) and pasto (meal). The ante in composed words is sometimes changed into anti, but the word is a known one and has no hyphen. Whilst there are a number…

Mi dispiace...

I learned Italian via solely listening to it only while working in the country, best from an Austrian ex-lover who was from a border town in the North no less... so much like the other 3 languages (non-English) I speak, my grammar and syntax are admittedly usually off.

Thanks for the correction, though. Antipasto, no hyphen, got it.

As for this:

> I don’t see the issue with these kind of protections. If there were none, some massive corporation would come in, make a cheaper, worse version with the same name, and put the original makers out of business. Consumers lose, small businesses lose, local communities lose, and the only winner is BigCo.

That's exactly what has happened anyway in food without those things at the very source, farms are mainly a consolidated conglomerate all over the World; but in Italy the biggest food monoliths are able to have amazing clout, especially in ER, but the truth is that Italy has an integral counter-balance as it has a deep and rich history with it's cuisine such that the consumers are far better educated and entirely unlikely to fall for the the allure of a 'race to the bottom' as ER prides itself as 'Il Paese del Buon Gusto.'

It was such a pleasure cooking in ER where many of our patrons would give me direct feedback and come back to see the improvements as we went throughout the season(s) as many were locals and how so many invited me and my staff into their own homes to hang and show us how they make those aforementioned products without the labels. And just so it's clear, its not like they don't have some that are protected along side as well.

Modena is best known for it's Aceto, but one of the patrons I mentioned had vats going back over 500 years that were moved to Maranello during WWII due to damage and re-purposing of what was mainly farm land and not only did it have that regional seal, but he had proudly stated that he had sold out his entire foreseeable inventory (at the times) for the next 3 years. He had no desire to expand, and he took great pride in just making an amazing product that embodied his family's traditions and his local culture.

The situation is just a lot more nuanced than what you're making it out to be, and also you have to understand that Italy is a country with 50+ types of cheeses, and probably well over 100 types of pasta, that are really just colloquially named to differ from the others and are only slightly different, if at all, than others.

What I'm trying to say is that Italy specifically is so fragmented that I don't think what you propose is a real threat after having lived and worked there.

Ironically, this is also why they say Italy is entirely ungovernable as well.

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