TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by La1n » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 12:59 PM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #140

DetroitThrow wrote: post #52

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The unique part of Chinese law is the lack of judicial supremacy or "rule of law". The party has supremacy over legal system interpretation as part of the '3 Supremes' order of precedence, with workers also coming ahead of the law. In the US system, there are still miscarriages of Justice, but there is judicial supremacy and separation of powers. The powers aren't as separated as say the French justice system, but mo…

> The party has supremacy over legal system interpretation as part of the '3 Supremes' order of precedence, with workers also coming ahead of the law. Very few people are aware about this. The party is supreme and institutions like PLA are answerable to the party, not to the people.

US institutions also answer to the US government...

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by 15155 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:00 PM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #205

sumedh wrote: post #195

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> If americans want to be spied on by China in exchange for being able to use tiktok it's their right Do you also think you have a right to not wear a mask during a pandemic or not wear a seatbelt while driving?

No sir, that isn't speech and those are regulated activities of commerce and transportation. This is simple exchange of unprivileged information between an individual and an organization (foreign or domestic).

Seriously? Does ByteDance not intend to profit off of this information commercially?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by williesleg » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:05 PM UTC

Please preface your post by talking about tianaman square, that way I know if your a Chinese bot or CCP agent. If you fail to mention tianaman square I know you're a CCP agent.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by tomcat27 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:05 PM UTC

It's a matter of who owns the user activity data on TikTok whether ByteDance retains rights to sell or rent without informing public to someone at some point in future..

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by sumedh » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

La1n wrote: post #230

sumedh wrote: post #203

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> If one doesn't trust the US, then one should not trust Facebook. Which is why Facebook is not allowed in China.

Because it doesn't comply with local laws. What law does tiktok not comply with?

Which local Chinese law is FB not complying with?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by runawaybottle » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

I believe this is what the TPP actually wanted American companies to be able to do in China, be able to litigate against the CCP in some global court.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by sumedh » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

La1n wrote: post #229

sumedh wrote: post #198

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So what is your solution to make sure China plays by the rules?

Implement rules that everyone has to follow. A good regulatory privacy framework instead of banning apps from a economic rival.

How would that enforce China to play by the rules?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by naveen99 » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

Anybody else binging on tiktok before it gets banned and in the remote chance an American can’t save it by buying it from bytedance ?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by mytailorisrich » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:09 PM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #131

ladberg wrote: post #28

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Why does China doing something make it ok for the US to do it too?

US companies get access to one market while Chinese companies get access to both markets. While this isn't exactly fair, I don't think Americans are bothered by this. But I guess that won't be the case when most of the Americans get used to a Chinese app and criticism of the CCP is suppressed.

Which American companies are actually banned/blocked in China because they are American companies?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by cwhiz » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 1:10 PM UTC

gampleman wrote: post #121

So if the problem is that TikTok is gathering too much invasive data on US citizens (and supposedly siphoning it to China), and their defence is basically "So what, it's legal and everyone else is doing it too!", then isn't the obvious solution making actual digital privacy legislation that would make such data vacuuming illegal? That would solve the problem and make the American market a fair playing field rather th…

You can’t have a fair playing field with China unless they also have a fair playing field with the US. That has not ever been the case. China wants to have cake and eat cake.