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Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

jorvi wrote: post #171
rjtavares wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is a company that has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is not aligned with European interests. Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests. I know there's a huge difference between the US Government and the Chinese Government, but that difference is decreasing. And Facebook, well I sim…

> Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests. Airbus and Boeing pretty much go toe-to-toe, no? Also Boeing still has the very possible abandoning of the 787-Max and the WTO dispute resolution (that still hasn’t been implemented) looming over them.

>Airbus and Boeing pretty much go toe-to-toe, no?

Except for the part where the NSA is doing political and industrial espionage on Airbus on behalf of Boeing and the US gov so they can throw a wrench in Airbus's negotiations with other governments.

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Post by bzb4 »

endogui wrote: post #168
buran77 wrote: post #166

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> they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests The irony is that each of the entities has plans for global dominance, which is incompatible with the plans and interests the other one has. The sad part is that it turns out the US is willing to forgo its values if this gives them a leg up on China. Makes any future rhetoric on values and morals se…

Rhetoric about US values has been empty since Guantanamo Bay started housing "foreign militants". Europe seems to be the only place in the West where a commitment to human rights is sincere.

There’s no right to free speech in Europe, since for example many countries have laws against blasphemy.

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Post by noelsusman »

wcoenen wrote: post #176
boomboomsubban wrote: post #161

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The word "citizen" is not present in the Bill of Rights. The Amendments guarantee rights that you already have, countries can't give you rights.

> The Amendments guarantee rights that you already have, countries can't give you rights. This statement confused me, probably because I'm not from the US and am missing some cultural dogma/context. But the way I think about it, "rights" are not encoded in the laws of physics. They are social constructs. Therefore different societies can come up with a different and even conflicting set of "rights".

> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The idea that our rights come from god, not the government, is enshrined in the founding documents of the US, and the idea has been discussed in philosophy for centuries before that. It's part of why US conservatives get so bent out of shape when progressives say things like "everyone has a right to healthcare".

I agree it doesn't make much sense. It's also worth noting that 75% of the men who signed that document owned slaves.

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Post by m3kw9 »

Hello, the data angle is just a diversion for kicking out tiktok and we chat getting too big and kicking American tech giants ass. Too dominant. It’s protectionism

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jorvi wrote: post #171
rjtavares wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is a company that has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is not aligned with European interests. Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests. I know there's a huge difference between the US Government and the Chinese Government, but that difference is decreasing. And Facebook, well I sim…

> Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests. Airbus and Boeing pretty much go toe-to-toe, no? Also Boeing still has the very possible abandoning of the 787-Max and the WTO dispute resolution (that still hasn’t been implemented) looming over them.

737 Max, the 787 is still doing quite well.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by neves »

_8j50 wrote: post #51

Is this not a freedom of speech issue? The right is guaranteed for foreingners in the US as well. If they can ban tik tok, they can ban signal or briar because those also might send your encrypted data overseas or because their use among "violent" protestors is a risk. How about VPN apps that siphon your personal data to china and russia! Haha Here's the thing, US bigtech complies (in secret) with US intel community…

Isn't this all a retaliation because some people used TikTok against Trump's campaign? https://time.com/5865261/tiktok-trump-campaign-app/

It looks like the USA don't like a social network they can't control the algorithm.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

m3kw9 wrote: post #224

Hello, the data angle is just a diversion for kicking out tiktok and we chat getting too big and kicking American tech giants ass. Too dominant. It’s protectionism

Tiktok maybe, but wechat has negligible market share in the USA (And anywhere outside China), mostly just used by people who come from China.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by newacct583 »

gampleman wrote: post #121

So if the problem is that TikTok is gathering too much invasive data on US citizens (and supposedly siphoning it to China), and their defence is basically "So what, it's legal and everyone else is doing it too!", then isn't the obvious solution making actual digital privacy legislation that would make such data vacuuming illegal? That would solve the problem and make the American market a fair playing field rather th…

> isn't the obvious solution making actual digital privacy legislation

No, because that isn't the solution to the problem being addressed. The administration doesn't want to protect privacy. It wants to ban TikTok.

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Post by La1n »

sumedh wrote: post #198
ausbah wrote: post #191

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because America isn't China?

So what is your solution to make sure China plays by the rules?

Implement rules that everyone has to follow. A good regulatory privacy framework instead of banning apps from a economic rival.

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Post by La1n »

sumedh wrote: post #203
coldcode wrote: post #194

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Facebook is American company responsible for complying with directives from the US Government. If one doesn't trust the US, then one should not trust Facebook. How is this any different? The US is one of the Five Eyes countries. They routinely spy on their own people (see Snowdon et al). I see no difference between the two in this regard, other than the US has a court system that sometimes acts independently and has…

> If one doesn't trust the US, then one should not trust Facebook. Which is why Facebook is not allowed in China.

Because it doesn't comply with local laws. What law does tiktok not comply with?
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