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Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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> Taking someone else's copy written content […] (You should read up a bit on this; it’s obvious you have not since you call it “copy written” when the term is “copyright” and a work can therefore be “copyrighted”. The term is about who has the right to copy a given work, and has nothing to do with “writing”.) Copying text someone else has written is indeed copyright infringement (commonly, but technically inaccurate…

Copywriting ("copy[,] written") is an industry term.

True, but that term means something completely different from what was discussed here, and the sentence does not make sense if you assume that meaning. It’s quite obvious to me that they, like many others, erroneously thought of “copyright” as “copywrite”.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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The primary case here made against Google might be questionable behavior from Google, but might not be illegal, since simple numbers like a dollar amount can’t be copyrighted, and AFAIK there is no other legal impediment to Google doing what they did (IANAL). What looks far more inculpatory to me is this, on the last page: […] Because it controls essentially the entire internet, Google has endless levers at its dispo…

A curated database like this can be copyrighted. The author even mentions this in the article, that the net worth numbers are not considered as commodity information like the height of a famous building.

He says that the information was hard for him to obtain, but he does not actually, what I can see, argue that the information is covered by copyright.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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> Earlier this year, within weeks of the publication of a Wired magazine article that included quotes from me and a recap of our story, the CNW mobile app was banned from the Google Play store without explanation or recourse A lot of talk here about the scrapping and capturing of the ad revenue, but I thought this was the most scary part. It’s one thing to capture ad revenue from SEO companies, it’s another thing to…

I think thats the point of a monopoly. They have such a large overarching reach that they don't need to respond in a direct way that could be proved to be retribution. They respond in another avenue that affects your business in another platform they control, in ways they don't have to explain.

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> And what about those conjured celebrities I added as a precaution? All five were all scraped right into Google’s search result pages. It provided undeniable proof that after being turned down, Google simply went ahead and stole the entire database of content CNW took eight years and over a million dollars to build. I remember a few years ago Google had a big blog post about how they’d injected some fake search resu…

I worked at Microsoft from 2010-2012, and the crux of the issue there was that, for Microsoft users who had the Bing toolbar installed, the toolbar would track what you were visiting in your browser and use that session/journey information to try and improve the relevancy of Bing results. If a lot of people who searched for "best pancake house" (regardless of what search engine you used) end up visiting ihop.com with…

Thanks for the correction - I never really heard any followup on this at the time and definitely missed this explanation. Obviously the tracking is bad but it's definitely a different thing to the way it was presented as them actually crawling a competitor.

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Wow! Holy smokes. What a terrible company.

Oddly enough, as their practices may destroy the internet perhaps they will eventually destroy their own livelihood.

Speaking for myself, I no longer search for product reviews and comparisons. Why waste my time when all the content is fake? Probably fake due to the Google search ranking tweaks. Now I go straight to the sellers.

What is sad in all this is all the great people that work for such shitty companies and what that implies regarding the state of our morality as computer scientists and engineers.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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> Taking someone else's copy written content […] (You should read up a bit on this; it’s obvious you have not since you call it “copy written” when the term is “copyright” and a work can therefore be “copyrighted”. The term is about who has the right to copy a given work, and has nothing to do with “writing”.) Copying text someone else has written is indeed copyright infringement (commonly, but technically inaccurate…

NAL and the only information I have is from a 2 credit intellectual property class I took in college, but facts (like dollar amounts) are not copyrightable, but curated collections of facts (like an almanac) are copyrightable. It seems this would fall under the latter category. Also from the LinkedIn - hiQ Labs lawsuit, it seems that unfair business practices are factored in. Google is implementing unfair business pr…

Thank you for not saying 'IANAL.'

I can't help but to read it, uh, the 'other' way, and I always think "well there's nothing wrong with that, but why bring it up here?"

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Do you have any evidence at all for these extraordinary claims? Why would Urban Dictionary go to such lengths to suppress a competitor which posed no threat[0]? I also notice that the homepage hasn't been updated at all for at least 8 years[1]. I suspect this may have had something to do with its decline. [0]: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2004-01-10%202... [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20120107121…

Edit: Is there any way to prove that Google isn't/hasn't unfairly penalized this site? I'm more willing to suspend Hitchens Razor when a well known defendant has such a long history of doing much worse.

Is there any way to prove that Google isn't/hasn't unfairly penalized this site?

No.

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Dude - I went to your side. I looked up a random word - it had a 3 word definition with 12 seconds to interaction, at least a second of blocking content, a pageload time of 25 seconds (!! for three words!), 352 requests! 1.5MB page size, and content farm crap filling out the rest of the page. I mean, I'm a user of the web, and I hated sites like this. You score terribly among all major search providers I tried BTW. Y…

I have no idea what you’re talking about. The site has never had any of that. Did you go to the right site? http://onlineslangdictionary.com/ What URLs are you seeing this on? What browser and OS? I wonder if anyone else can repro what this new user is describing.

Be pretty ironic if they went to the Urban Dictionary, it does sound like a plausible UD experience.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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I believe it was Genius that was using rare unicode characters in the lyrics that don't really show up when viewing the page. They were able to see that Google had those same characters in their lyric results and therefore Google was just scraping Genius.

Ah thanks, that's the case. There's definitely some wrongdoing there but it's murky who is responsible since Google actually got the lyrics from LyricFind who stole it from Genius.

Ironically this news came out today.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/11/court-dismisses-genius-law...

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