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TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
The USA has been the sole military superpower for 30 years now, with more power than the rest of the world combined. If they wanted global dominance, they'd already have it long ago.
> If they wanted global dominance, they'd already have it long ago They have global dominance, and they got it long ago. The issue at play is not that they want it, it's that they want to keep it.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
ButeDance is a Chinese company responsible for complying with directives from the CCP. If one doesn't trust the CCP, then one should not trust ByteDance.
Facebook is American company responsible for complying with directives from the US Government. If one doesn't trust the US, then one should not trust Facebook. How is this any different? The US is one of the Five Eyes countries. They routinely spy on their own people (see Snowdon et al). I see no difference between the two in this regard, other than the US has a court system that sometimes acts independently and has…
> If one doesn't trust the US, then one should not trust Facebook.
Which is why Facebook is not allowed in China.
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#204So if the problem is that TikTok is gathering too much invasive data on US citizens (and supposedly siphoning it to China), and their defence is basically "So what, it's legal and everyone else is doing it too!", then isn't the obvious solution making actual digital privacy legislation that would make such data vacuuming illegal? That would solve the problem and make the American market a fair playing field rather th…
That is not the problem. I'm not a US citizen, but let's pretend I am; as a normal citizen (ie, not a politician or high profile important person) would I be more concerned about my personal data being sent to a foreign country who doesn't know me, my family, my job, and very likely will never give a damn about what i think, or rather my own government who has all interests to know what I think, especially during pro…
China doesn't care about you because you're not a good target, you want to know who is a good Target? Chinese people living in your country, they can be blackmailed into doing things against the interests of your government.
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#205Is this not a freedom of speech issue? The right is guaranteed for foreingners in the US as well. If they can ban tik tok, they can ban signal or briar because those also might send your encrypted data overseas or because their use among "violent" protestors is a risk. How about VPN apps that siphon your personal data to china and russia! Haha Here's the thing, US bigtech complies (in secret) with US intel community…
> If americans want to be spied on by China in exchange for being able to use tiktok it's their right Do you also think you have a right to not wear a mask during a pandemic or not wear a seatbelt while driving?
No sir, that isn't speech and those are regulated activities of commerce and transportation.
This is simple exchange of unprivileged information between an individual and an organization (foreign or domestic).
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#206>Editor's note: TikTok helps fund NPR content that appears on the social media platform.
CCP, influencing NPR
Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban
#207Is this not a freedom of speech issue? The right is guaranteed for foreingners in the US as well. If they can ban tik tok, they can ban signal or briar because those also might send your encrypted data overseas or because their use among "violent" protestors is a risk. How about VPN apps that siphon your personal data to china and russia! Haha Here's the thing, US bigtech complies (in secret) with US intel community…
There's no general First Amendment right to free speech for foreign nationals not physically present in the US.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
The security and economic well being of the US comes after the citizens' rights are secured. A government that provides security and economic prosperity by sacrificing rights and liberties of citizens does not have the consent of the governed and is operating with illegitimate authority. Your courts and congress will decide if he stepped over the line. But if they fail to do so, you lose a ton of rights. He then gets…
so if Huawei offers everyone in America free Alexa-like speakers, USA should do nothing? Or if they give free routers to major infrastructure companies..?
Precisely, except businesses are not individuals and as such they don't enjoy the same rights. An ISPs business license can be taken away from it for using huawei because the government has the authority to regulate commerce. They cannot however ban individuals at those companies from receiving or sending information to huawei.
Americans can mount free 4k cameras with hd audio in everyroom in their house that streams directly to china snd they cannot be stopped from doing so based on the fact that the government does not approve of the information being transmitted.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
so if Huawei offers everyone in America free Alexa-like speakers, USA should do nothing? Or if they give free routers to major infrastructure companies..?
They could make proper privacy laws. If both Alexa speakers and Huawei speakers have to respect your privacy and both are banned for failing to do so you sidestep a lot of the issues
They can ban the speakers from being imported but they can't ban americans from transmiting content to huawei
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because if you keep trying to take the "high road" you'll keep losing your IP and getting nothing for it.
No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far, far more in the long run than any short-term profits your IP might get you. You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state. You get it by valuing individual rights and freedom. I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of…
> you get global influence and alliances
The US already has that.
> You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state
Which is why immigrants prefer US to China, banning tic tok is not going to change that.