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Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by httpsterio »

_8j50 wrote: post #51

Is this not a freedom of speech issue? The right is guaranteed for foreingners in the US as well. If they can ban tik tok, they can ban signal or briar because those also might send your encrypted data overseas or because their use among "violent" protestors is a risk. How about VPN apps that siphon your personal data to china and russia! Haha Here's the thing, US bigtech complies (in secret) with US intel community…

a company is not a natural citizen and as such, amendments do not extend to those. amendments are the bare minimum guarantee you as a person are given by the country of your residence or citizenship.

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Post by _8j50 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #93
_8j50 wrote: post #51

Is this not a freedom of speech issue? The right is guaranteed for foreingners in the US as well. If they can ban tik tok, they can ban signal or briar because those also might send your encrypted data overseas or because their use among "violent" protestors is a risk. How about VPN apps that siphon your personal data to china and russia! Haha Here's the thing, US bigtech complies (in secret) with US intel community…

>> If americans want to be spied on by China in exchange for being able to use tiktok it's their right and this activity is beyond the reaches of any elected government. You lost me here. That spying can have disastrous results for security and economic well-being of USA (daughter of top Intel engineer or President's top adviser for example is wiretapped by CCP) so the state has extremely legitimate reasons to watch…

The security and economic well being of the US comes after the citizens' rights are secured. A government that provides security and economic prosperity by sacrificing rights and liberties of citizens does not have the consent of the governed and is operating with illegitimate authority.

Your courts and congress will decide if he stepped over the line. But if they fail to do so, you lose a ton of rights. He then gets to ban "antifa" apps and democrats get to ban "alt right" russian apps. A supreme court precedent can't be challenged in court when they apply the same logic for something else. This isn't about tik tok, this is about every other app the US government can't controp or arm twist because they are not based on the US.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by panpanna »

odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #32
bawolff wrote: post #6

> The app has also been used to antagonize the president, including when thousands of teens reserved tickets to the president's rally in Tulsa, Okla., with no intention of going, inflating the Trump campaign's expectations for the event and causing embarrassment over the disappointing turnout. Forgot that was organized on tiktok. All makes sense now. If US was really interested in national security i'm pretty sure zo…

Forgetting Trumps' feelings about the Tulsa rally, I truly believe the Tulsa thing was the smoking gun. We know that TikTok did manual moderation of topics sensitive to China, as well as some more non-ethical ones (censuring/pushing results back) of disabled and 'ugly' people. My girlfriend was offered a job moderating for TikTok and their package details with the work described left a bad taste in my mouth to be hon…

Do you hang around r/conspiracy a lot?

Because those folks would miss a real conspiracy even if you hit them in the face with it, but are really good in finding conspiracies where there is none.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by [deleted] »

panpanna wrote: post #143

Not sure what to feel about this one. I don't like this company, which has already started censoring foreign nationals based on what CCP allows. At the same time, how can a single person decide the fate of a company in a different country? What will be next? Furthermore, what if EU decides Instagram is somehow a threat and must be shut down?

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Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by xuki »

rjtavares wrote: post #148
sbmthakur wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference between TikTok and other companies is that they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests.

Facebook is a company that has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is not aligned with European interests. Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests. I know there's a huge difference between the US Government and the Chinese Government, but that difference is decreasing. And Facebook, well I sim…

FB is an asshole but it's OUR asshole. How dare you? /s

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by boomboomsubban »

khuey wrote: post #55
_8j50 wrote: post #51

Is this not a freedom of speech issue? The right is guaranteed for foreingners in the US as well. If they can ban tik tok, they can ban signal or briar because those also might send your encrypted data overseas or because their use among "violent" protestors is a risk. How about VPN apps that siphon your personal data to china and russia! Haha Here's the thing, US bigtech complies (in secret) with US intel community…

There's no general First Amendment right to free speech for foreign nationals not physically present in the US.

The First Amendment prohibits laws abridging free speech. There is no limit placed on who is entitled to that right.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by onetimemanytime »

_8j50 wrote: post #152
onetimemanytime wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> If americans want to be spied on by China in exchange for being able to use tiktok it's their right and this activity is beyond the reaches of any elected government. You lost me here. That spying can have disastrous results for security and economic well-being of USA (daughter of top Intel engineer or President's top adviser for example is wiretapped by CCP) so the state has extremely legitimate reasons to watch…

The security and economic well being of the US comes after the citizens' rights are secured. A government that provides security and economic prosperity by sacrificing rights and liberties of citizens does not have the consent of the governed and is operating with illegitimate authority. Your courts and congress will decide if he stepped over the line. But if they fail to do so, you lose a ton of rights. He then gets…

so if Huawei offers everyone in America free Alexa-like speakers, USA should do nothing? Or if they give free routers to major infrastructure companies..?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by izacus »

baybal2 wrote: post #113
izacus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is a totalitarian regime which doesn't follow due process and basic freedoms. I strongly hope that your strange "tit-for-tat" doesn't extend to basic rights of people and businesses on US soil. US is supposed to be better than that, remember?

> I strongly hope that your strange "tit-for-tat" doesn't extend to basic rights of people and businesses on US soil. Your enemy brakes rules to gain advantage, why wouldn't you. I for long thought of this as a weakness in America. Thousands of children of CPC's top leadership live, and study in USA, including children of Xi, Li, and Lin. Your solution to solve your problem with China overnight was pretty much lying…

> Your enemy brakes rules to gain advantage, why wouldn't you.

Probably because if your "enemy" (interesting that this wording started to pop up in relation to China a lot) is a totalitarian state which abuses their people... you don't want to follow their rules and societal structure.

At least that's my takeaway as an Eastern European with a bit of experience of such regimes.

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