So if the problem is that TikTok is gathering too much invasive data on US citizens (and supposedly siphoning it to China), and their defence is basically "So what, it's legal and everyone else is doing it too!", then isn't the obvious solution making actual digital privacy legislation that would make such data vacuuming illegal? That would solve the problem and make the American market a fair playing field rather than this hamfisted protectionism.
TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban
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#122Imagine US companies suing China for not allowing them to operate there. People would say "China can decide what they want to allow". Well if China can decide (which they did first) two can play this game. Also TikTok says this ban is baseless. If USA's ban of TikTok is baseless, what base does China have for banning everything?
Who said that TikTok == China?
Maybe, just maybe, they made this as an independent company to continue biz in the US?
Also just maybe, they don't want that facebooks clone (Reels) now takes their place?
Maybe they don't want to be sh*t all over just cuz they are based in China and do simply not care about the conflicts the countries have?
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like in the US..., you just need a warrant which is just paperwork.
Unfortunately the FISA courts have been abused like crazy. But warrants aren't just paperwork. If you're charged with a crime but the prosecution has violated your rights, you can walk free in the U.S. You have multiple layers of appeals courts to go through if you get railroaded. The CCP is truly authoritarian and rules and laws are what they say they are. Not even remotely equivalent.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/fisa-investigation
We're trying to roll that back apparently. I don't have a lot of hope but we'll see. These politicians are all basically under fire this november so they better damnwell hustle.
Also, FWIW, companies can release FISA statements saying they've been accessed. How much of that is actually true depends on your level of paranoia.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I keep seeing comments like this There are reasons you can oppose this ban, but this isn't a good one of those reasons. - The US promises certain freedoms and protections, and TikTok is saying the US is unfairly denying them those freedoms and protections. China doesn't promise those things to anyone, so there's no grounds to complain they're not being fair. I mean, imagine this argument applied to other things. "The…
How does the Chinese government sue the us government for not having American rights? This literally makes no sense. How can do many people here not understand that Chinese created companies literally are owned and operated by their gov? How do you think the great firewall/mass gov censureship/social scores work?
Oh please.
You're trying to intentionally confuse to tangential concepts, and murdering common sense and logic to do so.
Amtrak is almost entirely owned by the US Government and has taken in 10s of billion of federal dollars to operate, yet you can go out and sue it like any other company despite the protections US Government entities normally have.
Because owning something, and being that thing, are not the same thing... in case you didn't realize. That's actually one of the core justifications of most corporations
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The Chinese government is not suing the US Government, TikTok is. Sure there's lots of fun power dynamics to dive into over who controls TikTok and so on, but if you can't get the simple fact of who's suing who, you should hush up on the topic.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forgetting Trumps' feelings about the Tulsa rally, I truly believe the Tulsa thing was the smoking gun. We know that TikTok did manual moderation of topics sensitive to China, as well as some more non-ethical ones (censuring/pushing results back) of disabled and 'ugly' people. My girlfriend was offered a job moderating for TikTok and their package details with the work described left a bad taste in my mouth to be hon…
After America goes and elects a jackass like Trump, how does it matter what the CCP or Russia is capable off? The whole discussion is unnecessary. If someone goes and flunks an exam due to their own incompetence, does it matter what external factors can make them flunk? Trump + other bizarre self important characters in his cabinet actually believe they know what they are doing. They don't. As to the CCP knowing what…
You under the assumption that Russia didn't tamper with both the US elections and Brexit. Which, seems to be false.
Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban
#126Imagine US companies suing China for not allowing them to operate there. People would say "China can decide what they want to allow". Well if China can decide (which they did first) two can play this game. Also TikTok says this ban is baseless. If USA's ban of TikTok is baseless, what base does China have for banning everything?
This would be a better argument if the US was doing the same thing China is doing.
China has censorship laws that you might not like, but you can certainly still choose to comply if you want to be in that market. Indeed, many US companies have chosen to do so and participate in that market while others feel the cost is too high and do not.
What could TikTok do to comply here and be allowed in the US? It wasn't banned for non-compliance in some tit-for-tat measure, it was banned for simply being from China.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> While I think TikTok is a cesspool Is that referring to the content or the company itself? I don't see how it's any more of a cesspool than any other social platform. Twitter? Facebook? Reddit? Every sufficiently large platform is filled with a very wide range of content, from great to awful. As a company, I do agree they have shady practices, but again, don't most other social media apps such as Facebook and the g…
> I don't see how it's any more of a cesspool than any other social platform. It actually is uniquely bad. A disproportionate amount of the content consists of the sexualization of underage girls. The way the thing is set up, there is some kind of audio, someone does a thing (usually a dance), and then other people try to do the same thing to the same sound. The audio is generally nonsense. One of the currently popul…
It's also moderated to show pretty young kids (especially white). And actively tries to censor unattractive and disabled kids and anything against the CCP (on American users on American soil)
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is a totalitarian regime which doesn't follow due process and basic freedoms. I strongly hope that your strange "tit-for-tat" doesn't extend to basic rights of people and businesses on US soil. US is supposed to be better than that, remember?
The free market is a two way thing. What, you wanna allow a totalitarian regime to have it's companies operating in your soil while expanding their influence? This situation should've been stopped a while ago, China banned every company they wanted while the others let them operate everywhere according to the free market rules.
Meanwhile, when smaller countries (for example post communist ones) try to protect like that, all Americans were yelling "free market, free market, gotta open it completely and absolutely for the good of all!"
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dislike Trump (not as much as I disliked Bush, because I knew a lot of guys like Bush so I had something to focus my dislike on, and I don't know anyone like Trump) I'm not American but I did live there a long time. I agree the ban is some crazy stuff but: >How any "small gov't" conservative is okay with this, while over 1000 Americans are dying of COVID per day nonetheless, is beyond me. How is it the ban relates…
Well the President is putting more effort into banning Tik Tok than fighting Covid at the moment.
IMHO, his job is to deal with foreign entities, not fight Covid. He should/should've left that to health professionals and just backed them up.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe Huawei sued and lost.
Do you have source for this? Huawei sued but we haven't heard any updates on that yet.