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There's no "basic right" of foreign businesses to do business in the United States.
How so? Americans have the right to trade with foreign companies. Apple should have the right to trade with foreign companies, in this case, TikTok. US restrictions on foreign trade are restrictions on Americans.
The problem I have with this though, is that it's not a way to get protect American interests, it's probably the first in a series of last ditch efforts to portray a certain political stance before the campaign. And the effect of banning wechat, tik tok, and tencent will stoke an already considerable flame of anti chinese perspective, which the chinese americans on our soil, have to suffer for. I say ban the crap out of all Chinese apps if that's just what it is, but let's all make sure not to throw out our own under the bus with it.
Imagine US companies suing China for not allowing them to operate there. People would say "China can decide what they want to allow". Well if China can decide (which they did first) two can play this game. Also TikTok says this ban is baseless. If USA's ban of TikTok is baseless, what base does China have for banning everything?
China is a totalitarian regime which doesn't follow due process and basic freedoms. I strongly hope that your strange "tit-for-tat" doesn't extend to basic rights of people and businesses on US soil. US is supposed to be better than that, remember?
Your enemy brakes rules to gain advantage, why wouldn't you.
I for long thought of this as a weakness in America.
Thousands of children of CPC's top leadership live, and study in USA, including children of Xi, Li, and Lin.
Your solution to solve your problem with China overnight was pretty much lying under your nose.
Think, not a single government employee in China can legally afford to pay for their children tuition in Harvard (which people in China jokingly call "the new Central Party School.") The salary of a government employee in China is legally capped at around CNY 32000. There is no way in hell even Chinese government ministers can pay for their children lavish lifestyles in the West from legit income.
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There's no "basic right" of foreign businesses to do business in the United States.
How so? Americans have the right to trade with foreign companies. Apple should have the right to trade with foreign companies, in this case, TikTok. US restrictions on foreign trade are restrictions on Americans.
Err, foreign affairs (and thus commerce) has always been something regulated by the US government - something reserved for the president unless the legislative explicitly declares otherwise. Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/sec...
Do you know any constitutional clause or SCOTUS case suggesting otherwise?
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Because if you keep trying to take the "high road" you'll keep losing your IP and getting nothing for it.
You don't have to give your IP away. US "business" men willingly gave the Chinese their IP in exchange for cheap labor. You don't have to do that, that is not the only other option. Enforcing current laws is enough. And if it's not, IF , you enact new constitutional laws.
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What about the right of citizens to install whatever software they want on their phones?
They never had that. e.g. Apple.
If you had a phone that let you install software on it of your choosing then you could install whatever you want, regardless of who Apple isn't allowed to do business with. They made themselves a chokepoint, so now they're a chokepoint.
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around... no, your phone's only route is through the one corporation.
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China is a totalitarian regime which doesn't follow due process and basic freedoms. I strongly hope that your strange "tit-for-tat" doesn't extend to basic rights of people and businesses on US soil. US is supposed to be better than that, remember?
The free market is a two way thing. What, you wanna allow a totalitarian regime to have it's companies operating in your soil while expanding their influence? This situation should've been stopped a while ago, China banned every company they wanted while the others let them operate everywhere according to the free market rules.
Exports is what you pay for your imports. It's better for US citizens to be able to buy Chinese products even if Chinese citizens can't buy us products. They can pay for it by exporting to other countries from which China buys.
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What about the right of citizens to install whatever software they want on their phones?
They never had that. e.g. Apple.
Why is congress not involved if it's so important? Should the president really have this power?
> Why is congress not involved if it's so important? Congress creates laws. The President enforces them. This is an enforcement action--it's not unusual for Congress to be uninvolved. > Should the president really have this power? Multiple Congresses gave these powers to the President [1][2][3]. The current and next ones are free to take them back. My personal belief is no, the President shouldn't have this power in…
You make some fair points, but there is no way that I would trust a government agency to actually do code reviews and verify that a company isn't doing something wrong.
I feel increasingly unsafe because this app is being operated by a company that is beyond extradition with the USA. So if they ARE busted for doing bad stuff, who is getting jailed?
In an era where every snapdragon SoC seems rootable from any old application, and you can use machine learning to pick out key words from text streams, do we really need this app in the market?
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> China is an authoritarian regime, not a democracy under the rule of law. There are laws in China, but ultimately a corporation is subject to the whims of the Chinese Communist Party. Would you say it's kind of like the US President being able to just ban things he just says are threats to National Security? All of the authoritarian regimes have laws that specifically allow them to do what they do. They're usually a…
Absolutely not, because the separation of powers guarantees that if he botches the Executive Order and it has no legal ground, it will fall under the weight of the Law. No such mechanisms exists in an authoritarian regime like the Chinese.
Read up about the countless cases in those countries. Enforcing national security laws are very, very often the reason for the most fucked up judgements. All those cases from North Korea? Yep, national security without verifiable proof of how it endangers national security.