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Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by int_19h »

viridian wrote: post #319
ctvo wrote: post #301

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You're so confident about this. > There are 5 genres of men’s clothes - business (pressed shirts, suits), casual, workout, skater, and comfort (hoodie). Only 5 of them and one of them includes "skater"? I mention confidence because you name them off with some authority when it looks like it should be "There are 5 categories of men's clothing for me". You leave off streetwear [1] which is a gigantic category in men's…

Not only is streetwear missing, but so are preppy styles. I really can't think of many women's "genres" which lack a male counterpart.

I suppose it depends on what exactly you mean by "preppy" - but if it's stuff like cargo pants, I would argue that it should fall into the comfort segment.

About half of my daily wardrobe is stuff that's advertised as "tactical", but the reason why I actually wear it is because it's comfortable (relaxed fit, stretchy fabric where needed etc), and because it has plenty of large pockets to carry all the gadgets and random items.

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Post by lobotryas »

taurath wrote: post #346
ctvo wrote: post #301

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You're so confident about this. > There are 5 genres of men’s clothes - business (pressed shirts, suits), casual, workout, skater, and comfort (hoodie). Only 5 of them and one of them includes "skater"? I mention confidence because you name them off with some authority when it looks like it should be "There are 5 categories of men's clothing for me". You leave off streetwear [1] which is a gigantic category in men's…

It is arbitrary, and not fully accurate, but was trying to get the point across that there's relatively few cuts and overall styles to choose from in most major department stores. I claim no authority, I'm just a person on the internet making an observation. I still hold that men's clothing is more like the menu at taco bell, whereas womens clothing covers both much more nuance and opportunity for expressiveness. Men…

Nah, dude. The only reason you think there’s “no nuance” is because you haven’t invested the time to learn and research male fashion. And that’s OK! Fashion and being stylish is a hobby like that requires time, energy and money. Not everyone has those or wants to spend them on fashion.

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Post by wyclif »

coldpie wrote: post #306
wyclif wrote: post #236

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Even Levi's is doing it. I was amazed to discover while shopping that they have an entire line of skinny jeans that are part spandex. Whatever happened to practical, well-wearing clothes for gold miners?

They're still around. Two MIUSA brands are L.C. King and Round House (I prefer King's styling), and there are probably many more made overseas.

I love L.C. King but when I checked just now, they don't have a single style of jeans in my size, all they seem to have in stock is larger sizes.

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Post by Jommi »

waihtis wrote: post #232
Jommi wrote: post #206

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These both seem to be stereotypes from decades ago when USSR was still a threat. If you keep up with current events you might have noticed that Finland has become a prominent country in the worldside design and fashion world. I for example have never heard of this kind of joke being said or written anywhere.

What, you've never heard of the "tuulipuku?" That piece of clothing defined the 90's in Finland.

Check my other comment, I do recognize tuulipuku as exactly the style of 90s Finland. The 90s was 30 years ago.

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Post by Jommi »

piva00 wrote: post #263
Jommi wrote: post #206

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These both seem to be stereotypes from decades ago when USSR was still a threat. If you keep up with current events you might have noticed that Finland has become a prominent country in the worldside design and fashion world. I for example have never heard of this kind of joke being said or written anywhere.

As much as I like Finns I will say that in the Nordics the stylish scale for me goes: Sweden - Denmark - Norway - Finland. Not sure where I would put Icelandic fashion sense in there as I had very little contact with Icelandics living here in Sweden.

Yes, most likely your scale is based on the pieces of media that you received when you grew up, and not what is actually happening.

For example the Aalto University in Finland is currently one of the best ranked universities for art, design and fashion. None of the other nordic countries are even in the top ten. Sweden is not even in the top 25.

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Post by piva00 »

Jommi wrote: post #355
piva00 wrote: post #263

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As much as I like Finns I will say that in the Nordics the stylish scale for me goes: Sweden - Denmark - Norway - Finland. Not sure where I would put Icelandic fashion sense in there as I had very little contact with Icelandics living here in Sweden.

Yes, most likely your scale is based on the pieces of media that you received when you grew up, and not what is actually happening. For example the Aalto University in Finland is currently one of the best ranked universities for art, design and fashion. None of the other nordic countries are even in the top ten. Sweden is not even in the top 25.

I'm not talking about fashion production and designers but how people in general dress in their day-to-day in the big cities.

That is a pretty different picture than the academics side of fashion...

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Post by INTPenis »

ehnto wrote: post #277
INTPenis wrote: post #258

I see fashion every single day, people aren't under lock and key like what happened in China where they welded apartment doors shut from the outside, on at least one occasion. Such a non-article that really shows how the media inflamed the whole influenza story. It's their job to write. Writing stuff literally puts food on their table. Even when it's something as stupid as fashion industry collapsing. An influenza se…

So because your particular experience is different, everyone else's is invalid? Hundreds if not thousands of cities went into complete lockdown, and some remain in it. My city is vibrant and busy, but a nearby state is locked down, with curfews and all stores shut except pharmacies and supermarkets. That's the reality of it, this article is exploring the effects of that. It's not influenza, you think you're being cle…

Well this story is talking about fashion. Not local trends. Fashion today will not be negatively affected by some cities going into lockdown.

So this is a non-story, typical for bored journalists to make up. Because they have to. They have no other choice.

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Post by dredmorbius »

082349872349872 wrote: post #229
dredmorbius wrote: post #98

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My thought was more of the dramatic shifts in fashion which can follow a sudden political and economic shock, as with the French Revolution. Fashion evolves toward ever greater complexity as a Veblen status-signalling good, then recapitulates. Often it is lower-class wear which emerges as the new standard, then progresses through the cycle again, often being elevated to the status of elite wear: dinner jackets, morni…

See Homage to Catalonia for fashion change to lower-class wear and back, changing with the fortunes of the republic. Rule of thumb: the waitstaff in restaurants wear what the patrons had been dining in, before the last fashion shift. In the Coming Age of Formal Sweatpants, I'm guessing the front of the house will adopt button-downs and khakis. (Browsing old pictures makes it clear the Iron Curtain was pervious to eve…

Thanks. Orwell reference appreciated.

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Post by Jommi »

piva00 wrote: post #356
Jommi wrote: post #355

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Yes, most likely your scale is based on the pieces of media that you received when you grew up, and not what is actually happening. For example the Aalto University in Finland is currently one of the best ranked universities for art, design and fashion. None of the other nordic countries are even in the top ten. Sweden is not even in the top 25.

I'm not talking about fashion production and designers but how people in general dress in their day-to-day in the big cities. That is a pretty different picture than the academics side of fashion...

Okay, well then you can just open up HEL LOOKS (Helsinki looks) and get a glimpse of the huge amount of different styles, designer clothing and use of vintage garments that is going on in the streets of Helsinki right now. -->https://www.hel-looks.com/20200603_10/

Like I said, there is a lot of objective evidence to point to the contrary of what you are purporting. But hey, up to you if you want to beleive it or not.

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Post by chrisseaton »

p1necone wrote: post #207
chrisseaton wrote: post #30

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Do you believe that Taiwan somehow knew ahead of time that there was going to be a pandemic this year? How do you believe they knew that?

Do you think your local fire department knew ahead of time that there was going to be a fire at Joes house? How do you believe they know that?

Sorry I don't know what point you're trying to make. You'll have to un-riddle it for me if you want me to respond.
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