Welcome to the great firewall of the US. The trump regime seems to be adamant in copying the worst of digital surveillance and anti-competitive prohibitions from communist countries.
The Clean Network – United States Department of State
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#182you would all be in love with the idea if it was proposed by the obama administration
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#183I'm a bit skeptical that this will go anywhere.
Many reasons, which I won't go into, but...ya never know...
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Easy, USA can invest in open hardware/software. It would destroy Intel/AMD but who cares, national security is more important, no?
Ok that helps the issue in issue in 20-30+ years (develop the tech, start mass production, replace all old hardware with it) what can we do in this decade?
That is the government's problem, had they asked me 20 years ago, I would've told them moving all manufacturing operations to China just to enrich a small small percent of people would be disastrous for the nation.
Right now I don't care whether China or USA spies, they are identical countries in my mind.
Keep in mind that China can still spy on even with this Clean Network.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is my impression that modern companies that care about security assume that all networks are compromised and act accordingly. See https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp as an example. No, you assume the network can be compromised like any other device in the system. You still defend the network and add in layers of access control. Employees of Google still use VPNs to connect into sensitive networks. With the preva…
> Employees of Google still use VPNs to connect into sensitive networks. Not really. Maybe the people that keep BeyondCorp-related systems running, if at all. There are VPNs, obviously, but not directly accessed by 99.9% of employees.
> There are VPNs, obviously, but not directly accessed by 99.9% of employees.
Requesting VPN access is trivial, and it's used heavily in some large teams for pretty banal engineering workflows (i.e., not maintaining BeyondCorp or anything).
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#186If you're not already familiar with the history of labeling immigrants (particularly non-European immigrants) as unclean or dirty, I'd urge you to read up. This article seems to be a good start: https://journals.openedition.org/transtexts/1011 In short, calling this a "clean" network continues a long history of racist and xenophobic language in the U.S.
Step 1: immigrants who are viewed negatively are described in negative terms.
Step 2: describing anything in negative terms is racist?
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#187Can we get a clean government? Free from hyper-partisan politics, where there can be more than two sides and folks on other sides are still on the same overall team and not the enemy? Together we stand, divided we fall.
The whole goal of trumpism is to create slaves to the ideology of white and western supremacy. It has so clear racial undertones that it's not a surprise they want to attack China: they see it more as a racial target, poorly disguised with "homeland security" excuses.
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#188Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"? I've seen a lot of claims and a lot of out-of-court-settled lawsuits, but nothing really showing that they're using their devices or software infrastructure for surveillance.
China’s National Intelligence Law from 2017 requires companies, organizations and citizens to “support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work.”
Yes, Huawei is an arm of the PRC surveillance state.
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#189So the country whose national security and intelligence agencies have gathered the largest database of sensitive information in the world is proposing to "safeguard sensitive information from aggressive intrusions by malign actors"... If U.S. is some kind of role model / example for other countries to follow (in terms of freedoms, democracy, prosperity, etc) then other countries will also gather sensitive information to the largest extent possible... So this "we can, but you shouldn't" is just a shameless hypocrisy. What would the U.S. founding fathers say to all this? Is there any William Penn living in the U.S. today to give basic freedoms like privacy back to the people? Or will the "controlling party" take everything away - including the freedom to think and say?
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
in fact the best thing to do to fight the Great Firewall of China is to make it easier for the Chinese people to access the internet-at-large including sites hosted in the US. This program will do the opposite.
This is 100% the answer, and one thing I've never understood about many, many aspects of American life. If you want people to act a certain way, you incentivize that thing, not punish the opposite of the thing. You want people to stop doing drugs? Make programs designed to support them during the withdrawal process, provide counseling and other necessary supports, and make it free. You want people off of welfare? Pro…
> If you want people to act a certain way, you incentivize that thing, not punish the opposite of the thing.
In seriousness, you do both.