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EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

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Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#71

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> It’s very hard to understand why the current administration has such an urge to roll back environmental regulations. No, it's very easy. Environmental regulations cost money. Lots of money. It's much more profitable to keep these externalities.

Where does that money go?

To the 0.1%.

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#72

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He might get re-elected. To me it seem like the DNC is doing everything it can to make that happen. :/

What exactly is the DNC doing to make Trump get re-elected?

If the last election was a referendum on establishment versus anti-establishment candidates, and if that same sentiment extends to this next election, then it seems like running an establishment candidate is a dangerous thing.

To be clear, I -personally- think Trump is very much part of the "esablishment" (whatever that might mean), and I am also open to either of those premises being false...

but I can certainly how they may be true.

And that's not getting into the questions that a lot of folks have about Biden's actual mental condition.

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#73

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Where does that money go?

To the 0.1%.

Ok Mr. Sanders.

I meant like literally. Where does the money that is spent meeting environmental regulations go? The money is not just being burnt up. It's going to a different segment of the economy, I'm just not versed in what that means or looks like.

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#74

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Sure, but oil companies have the narrow view. External costs to society: they care not. Any cost they can pass on to you, they will.

Of course. But is it government’s role solely to boost oil company profits? Or should they consider these against long-term costs incurred by everyone? Surely there is a middle ground that works for everyone. It’s not as if major oil companies are struggling to survive.

> But is it government’s role solely to boost oil company profits? Or should they consider these against long-term costs incurred by everyone?

We don't live in a world where we get to speculate on what the intended role of government ought to be.

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#75
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Then why is DT still talking about how biden is an ungodly man who is going to, and this is an exact quote, "hurt god".

He's a 74 year old speaking to other 70+ year olds there. Talk to some younger Republicans, even Christian ones, who aren't in your social filter bubble. The whole Falwell family has long been disgraced and ignored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority#1988 If you scroll down and do some followup reading you'll see that his plans to revive the organization failed miserably.

it actually doesn't matter what the younger Republicans personally believe if they continue supporting and empowering the older Republicans who believe insane Cult of the Shining City death cult shit.

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#76

Isn’t the name “EPA” increasingly inaccurate? Shouldn’t it now be called something like the Oil & Gas Promotion Agency (OGPA)?

It's just an extension of the George W. Bush era where every piece of legislation was required to have an name that was completely the opposite of its intent.

They would write a law allowing mines to dump heavy metal contaminated tailings into the nearby rivers and streams which would be named something ridiculous like the Clean Water Act.

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#77
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>It’s very hard to understand why As republican former secretary of the interior James Watt put it, “Why worry about the environment when the second coming is at hand?”

That's not even close to the Republican mainstream now though. The "Christian Right" is a relic that died during the first Dubya administration. It's nothing more than a boogeyman for progressives now.

That doesn't seem right. All we hear about is the evangelical support of Trump is unwavering even though he personally violates their expectations of behavior. They see him rewarding them in terms of laws, federal judges, supporting their desires and also the perhaps more complicated support for feeling of white people's power and privilege being under siege.

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

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post #66

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He might get re-elected. To me it seem like the DNC is doing everything it can to make that happen. :/

Could you explain this for someone outside the US?

American progressives hate establishment democrats, thinking they are too market oriented and not sufficiently socialist. They don’t really accept the legitimacy of the democratic primary process when their preferred candidate, Bernie Sanders, is unable to secure the nomination. They believe that his inability to pass legislation, or persuade voters to support him, is a mark of his authenticity. This is highly sarcastic but true.

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#79

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Sure, but oil companies have the narrow view. External costs to society: they care not. Any cost they can pass on to you, they will.

Those long term costs will be a political disadvantage for liberals, as they will give the GOP plenty of talking points about how they want to take away good honest coal mining jobs. This is the long game in action. Force liberals to make the hard decisions to save the planet, then completely own them with propaganda about those decisions. It's a winning strategy. Not only in the US, but across most of the Anglo sphe…

”Not only in the US, but across most of the Anglo sphere.”

Not in the UK. Coal use has plummeted by 84% in 5 years (84 million tonnes in 2014 to 8 million tonnes in 2019), while renewable energy has been hugely expanded. All under “right wing” (Conservative) governments.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/09/is-this-...

Re: EPA to Rescind Methane Regulations for Oil and Gas

#80

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What exactly is the DNC doing to make Trump get re-elected?

Not accepting largely popular policy positions into their party platform is one.

Can you name three? Without Medicare for all, seeing as it’s not actually a popular platform issue.
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