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Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by wonderwonder »

Looking at the brand in question in the article, their sweatsuits look very similar to any $20 sweatsuit but cost $88 for the top and $88 for the bottom.

I would argue that the reason high end fashion is dying is because no one can afford it and more importantly I think people realize there is no need. Amazon provides exposure to a wide range of acceptable clothing for pennies on the dollar compared to high end brands. If the quality is not great and it does not last as long, I'll just buy another. If i have to buy 5 of them, I am still probably better off and that really does not happen, the quality is generally fine.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by soylentcola »

viridian wrote: post #319
ctvo wrote: post #301

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You're so confident about this. > There are 5 genres of men’s clothes - business (pressed shirts, suits), casual, workout, skater, and comfort (hoodie). Only 5 of them and one of them includes "skater"? I mention confidence because you name them off with some authority when it looks like it should be "There are 5 categories of men's clothing for me". You leave off streetwear [1] which is a gigantic category in men's…

Not only is streetwear missing, but so are preppy styles. I really can't think of many women's "genres" which lack a male counterpart.

Not speaking for the parent commenter, but I imagine "casual" as roughly the same range as "preppy" - not formal, but not sweats or tshirts.

Also, while they used the term "skater" (which I also find oddly specific) I think "streetwear" would be a better label. This would cover more specific styles like "skater" as well as other types of streetwear.

As a disclaimer, I know next to nothing about fashion and am just going on my own limited perception of broad categories.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by wasdfff »

freeone3000 wrote: post #247
adamjb wrote: post #241

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What do you mean by "equivalent"? That last sentence makes it sounds like you mean clothes in the same pattern but cut to fit male bodies.

Men's fashion currently has no mainstream style that shows off athleticism. Sleeveless crop-tops, with abs and shoulders on display! Shorts with flare for muscular thighs, allowing them to be shorter! Semi-sheer panels, allowing for pecs to bulge! Mesh sections in pants! What's wrong with men showing a little skin for once?

What men are you seeing? Buff shirtless men in 3” inseam shorts and a bulging groin are a staple of every American city in the summer. I see more and more mesh clothing in this heat, although I do live by west hollywood.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by VectorLock »

wolco wrote: post #161
VectorLock wrote: post #140

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I had a very similar experience with Adidas shoes. For a long time (~15 years maybe) I was pretty much exclusively buying Adidas shell-toes for my daily footwear. They were the most comfortable well fitting shoes and fit my wide feet well. It was nice not having to spend much time looking or trying on shoes - every 2 or even 3 years when they wore out I'd buy a new pair and they fit just like the last one. The last p…

I always found adidas really bad for wide feet / same as nike. Reebok or Vans are wider.

They fit my feet pretty well vs. other brands I've tried. YMMV.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

jahewson wrote: post #15
giancarlostoro wrote: post #10

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They probably wanted it to look good on their insane high resolution screen judging by the font... They shoulda sized it in em and not pixels specifically. OTOH reader mode on firefox fixes any of that nonsense.

The em unit is relative to the inherited font size. If you don’t specify an absolute font size or inherit one then you inherit the user agent default for the which is 16px.

It gets worse, I had to follow up[0] on what you've said, but if the parent element is also using EM the size keeps increasing.

Namely according to the MDN docs I read:

> To recap, the em unit means "my parent element's font-size" in the case of typography. The elements inside the with a class of ems take their sizing from their parent. So each successive level of nesting gets progressively larger, as each has its font size set to 1.3em — 1.3 times its parent's font size.

So REM is what you probably want if you intend to do some nesting and use the parents root font-size, set it once, apply it everywhere. TIL what em really does, versus what rem does.

[0]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Building_...

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by coolgeek »

prostoalex wrote: post #220
kazen44 wrote: post #5

The collapse of the fashion industry does not mean the clothing industry will collapse. People still need clothing obviously (cheap and of good quality preferably). Also, what do we consider the fashion industry exactly? Most long term clothing trends seem to be dictated by a couple of factors. Consisting of: - practicality. Jeans are good example of this. It's cheap and practical clothing that lasts a long time. - c…

From the practicality standpoint it seems that we should all be wearing togas (or robes, at most). They're basically unisex (with opportunities for expression for those who value it), flexible on size (or at least very forgiving if your exact size is unavailable), and can be made pretty cheap (assuming mass production). Everything more complicated than that is fashion.

Seems like an expansion opportunity for Soylent

(Since that's a name I hadn't heard in a while, I had to check to see that they still existed)

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Post by mthoms »

argonaut wrote: post #225
mthoms wrote: post #52

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Besides being a reductio ad absurdum [0] argument that ads nothing to the discussion, I'll address your comment. Music, Art, Food, Literature and Architecture generally don't go out of style every 6 months (although companies are trying harder and harder to make it so). Nor do they have the same toxic effect on the environment (possible exception: food?) and personal self esteem as high fashion. [0] https://en.wikipe…

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that reductio ad absurdum is a fallacy. It isn't. It's a logical argument.

I called it an argument. Quote:

>Besides being a reductio ad absurdum[0] argument

I'm not sure how your failed attempt at pedantry adds anything useful to the discussion.

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Post by stevenicr »

VectorLock wrote: post #140
stevenicr wrote: post #109

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After buying mostly levi's jeans for 30 years I started noticing huge differences in quality / durability.. upon inspecting the waist seams I noticed the 'made in pakistan / mexico' and other labels of origin. The same style/numbers from different years had different fabric thicknesses and were made in various places, and they did not last as long. So I started to question this "American brand". Then they started goi…

I had a very similar experience with Adidas shoes. For a long time (~15 years maybe) I was pretty much exclusively buying Adidas shell-toes for my daily footwear. They were the most comfortable well fitting shoes and fit my wide feet well. It was nice not having to spend much time looking or trying on shoes - every 2 or even 3 years when they wore out I'd buy a new pair and they fit just like the last one. The last p…

Interesting - the past 5 years or so I noticed a similar issue with skechers I had been buying (frequently for more than a decade) - used to be, I could get a couple years out of a pair and retire them to lawn mowing duty from being dingy or worn out.. but the past few years I had a couple pairs bust the seams near the toes in about only 6 months.

As much as I liked the styles, I started to try other brands... then went back when some skechers were on sale and bought the 'wide' versions to see if there was a difference. I have really been enjoying the new balance I've been wearing more than any the past couple years.

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Post by stevenicr »

matchbok wrote: post #152
stevenicr wrote: post #109

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After buying mostly levi's jeans for 30 years I started noticing huge differences in quality / durability.. upon inspecting the waist seams I noticed the 'made in pakistan / mexico' and other labels of origin. The same style/numbers from different years had different fabric thicknesses and were made in various places, and they did not last as long. So I started to question this "American brand". Then they started goi…

Sad to see that the nuts think requiring background checks is now "reducing gun rights". Reasonable limits on rights has always been constitutional. Perhaps you should give that document a read. I guess fox news is winning that battle.

When researching the levis funding and the partnership with 'everytown' - they use words like 'common sense', and 'ending violence' - in the headings.. but when you look at the agenda and what they actually advocate for - it's not background checks - they are actively trying to ban a long list of weapons and putting up other barriers to make it harder for people to bear arms. (see what they tried to push through in VA recently) It is not just 'background checks'.

I will happily re-read this doc any day.

Funny you mention fox news winning the battle, I read an article in the last few hours that says they are. They are crushing every other news group - all of the primetime news - even though they are cable only in most markets and the others have further ota reach.

However I don't celebrate that. They are not my primary news source. I put them about 9th or 10th in my reads.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by the8472 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #322
swang wrote: post #212

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The US was also prepared for a global pandemic, or at least had a plan.. just a certain person in power decided it was unnecessary.

PPE manufacturing had to be 24/6 the last decade to prepare for an aerosol virus, which COVID happens to be. We are lucky that we don’t have a U-shaped fatality curve like the spanish flu. Also, states need testing regimes and plans in place to handle millions of tests per day. tl;dr: We are learning a lot! Lack of preparedness is not a <5 year story.

> We are lucky that we don’t have a U-shaped fatality curve like the spanish flu.

You mean W-shaped. Regular flu is U-shapped. Covid is more of a ᜴

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