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Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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> I felt like I stepped into the future. It's more like stepping out of the past. It's not that India is particularly ahead, it's that the US is particularly behind. The EU for example has essentially instant SEPA transfers now and has done for a while.

Good luck convincing the shop owner to accept payment in SEPA instead of cash the next time you get a beer.

Girocard.

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Americans have such a strange relationship with technology... the most innovative startups, and yet the worse infrastructure. here in Europe it's the contrary :) and btw: the service will be active in 2023 or 2024... while I enjoy immediate transfers bank to bank since years...

Two things (probably more) contribute to this, I think: 1) Americans have been trained from birth to distrust government in all forms. Centralizing more and more services triggers a visceral fear response. (IMO it's nonsense, for the most part, but it's there nonetheless.) 2) Being "first to market" with new technologies often means you're just stuck with the sub-optimal first version, while other countries can learn…

1) They have been trained to distrust government and are the country with the most consistent freedom on the planet bar none. I am not from the US, but if US Americans suddenly decide to change that, it would be a big loss. Europe certainly cannot hold up to anything here, even if it too believes in division of powers.

And otherwise I like cash and social security is one factor. Let's take a "problematic" country like Germany and its social security net. In the event that you cannot take care of yourself, the government gives you the minimal amount of money you need to survive. In exchange for total control of your accounts. There is a gray area with abuse of social security, but I think it is clear what that control can entail.

Will they even seize 10$ you got from your friend for a pack of cigarettes? Yes, they will... Being critical of government is the better way, it cannot be your parent and if it is, it is a lousy one. These rules were made by civil servants that cannot even get into that situation and it shows.

So don't give up the suspicion just yet.

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Regarding #3, having a bank agent state on a recorded call “well, you don’t sound female” seems like a good way to get sued by a protected class.

Which? Trans people aren't a protected class in the US.

You are mistaken. If it wasn't clear about what 'sex' meant in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was made more clear a couple of months ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostock_v._Clayton_County

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Regarding #3, having a bank agent state on a recorded call “well, you don’t sound female” seems like a good way to get sued by a protected class.

Which? Trans people aren't a protected class in the US.

> Trans people aren't a protected class in the US.

Technically but not materially true, since gender identity discrimination, like other forms of conformance-to-sex-stereotype discrimination, has been found by the Supreme Court to be a form of sex discrimination.

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If anyone from the FED is reading this I have this advice: don't use ISO20022! (I've been working on the brazilian instant payments project, known as PIX). It's an overly-complicated-try-to-solve-everything standard that promises interoperability but only delivers pain and misery. Since each country has its own standards for person and account identification, in dealing with these local realities, the ISO20022 adds q…

And I got downvoted for predicting this a few weeks ago.

Congrats on predicting it, but if you don't have any proof, you look exactly the same as all the crazies spreading unjustified rumors.

Without proof (or at least some great reasoning), I think downvotes of "predictions" are correct.

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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As far as I know, yes, and UPI/"FedNow"/Cashapp-and-friends don't change that. That being so, if I'm honest I'm not really sure where the prior commenter's objection originates. Maybe they know about some directly accessible clearinghouse that I don't? I'd be surprised for several reasons to learn such a thing exists, but I've been surprised plenty of times before.

Unless this is actually possible in some country, I think they're both confused. But I'm guessing the objection was probably intended to convey "this is just as 'direct' in the US as it is in Australia", which would seem like a valid objection to the article.

Most country’s bank systems have a “receiving only” number which can be shared and then used by a 3rd party to directly enter an instant money transfer into the system.

Because America doesn’t have the equivalent of a “receive only” code, every service has to build that functionality themselves “on top of” ACH, and prevent direct access to ACH debit and credit functionality.

That being said, for $10/month any business can get direct access to ACH including debits and credits, and then whatever gateway you use is supposed to do some level of fraud detection against your transactions.

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When I moved a couple of years ago I started banking with Fidelity which has 17-digit account numbers. Using those for ACH with ConEd resulted in them failing to bill me at the end of the month. I thought it was a typo and put the ACH numbers in again, only to fail and get disconnected and flagged at the end of next month plus some late fees.

The whole problem was that the account number was too long. No error messages anywhere. Fidelity also has a 13-digit account number version that I've been using ever since.

What a mess.

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Your blog article is startlingly incorrect pretty early on. Individuals can and do use ACH between each other all the time. It is literally how paper checks work in the US. And I’ve been able to use a routing number and account number to send money to someone else online via ACH for decades...

In the UK if I want to send someone money to anyone in the UK I open the mobile app and input their sort and account number, type in the amount of money and hit send. Done. Similarly in the NL if I want to send someone money to anyone in the EuroZone I open my bank app type in their IBAN type in the amount of money and hit send. Done. Back in 2017 when I lived in the US this just wasn't possible. If I wanted to send…

Those transactions always make me nervous - is there a reason they don't have a step of showing the account name when you input the number? Like, I type 31-45-76 0452768934 and it says "Mr & Mrs Y O Mama" or "Notafraud & Co. Ltd." or whatever, as a confirmation?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Real ID act[1] is a national ID in every way but the name. [1]: https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Real ID act[1] is a national ID in every way but the name. If it was a national ID, it would be mandatory. Real ID is optional.

Nothing about the word "national" implies "mandatory". There are other countries with national IDs which are not mandatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card...

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_card_(France...

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Unless you only speak to younger people in tier-1 cities, China is enormously diverse linguistically.

I can confirm that, the situation may improve in the next generation.

i am not sure if improve is the right word here :)

i believe losing linguistic variety is almost a tragedy.

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