For an article on an international industry this was quite astonishingly parochial. What is happening outside the US?
Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed
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Maybe the pandemic and associated social revolutions are the endpoint of an evolution towards public acceptance of comfort clothes that begun with angry, poorly dressed, peseants in 1790's france.
What do you see following, or are you heralding the Coming Age of Formal Sweatpants?
I hope for the latter! But I suspect the usual cyclical nature of human fashion and culture.
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Same for South Korea, and folks like Gates and Fauci have been warning about the next pandemic for many years.
Even a broken clock is right twice every day. People have also been warning about the next market crash for many years. Finally, one happened because of pandemic, and it's over in a blink of an eye. I'm still expecting an even bigger crash, but I've learned my lesson against timing the future.
I don't think they suggested people were able to predict the timing, just that some countries chose to have preparedness strategies and some didn't.
In all fairness, the US did actually think to create a preparedness strategy, it was just ignored when the time came.
In your market comparison, it would be like having a safety net of cash stashed in case of a market crash, and when the market crashes you spend it all immediately on a new car.
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(All comments on culture US centric) - This thinking is why the men’s section is 1/4 as large as the women’s in most stores. Culturally for men clothing is supposed to be above all practical. There are 5 genres of men’s clothes - business (pressed shirts, suits), casual, workout, skater, and comfort (hoodie). Contrast this with the women’s section. Women have an expectation to express themselves and their personality…
> Women have an expectation to express themselves and their personality. Personality is expressed through choice of cut, material, and color of cloth?
What is the correct way to express personality in your view?
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#275He studied economics.
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From the practicality standpoint it seems that we should all be wearing togas (or robes, at most). They're basically unisex (with opportunities for expression for those who value it), flexible on size (or at least very forgiving if your exact size is unavailable), and can be made pretty cheap (assuming mass production). Everything more complicated than that is fashion.
not convinced togas are that great for sports...?
It has been long known that robes are not suitable for exercise and sport. That's why we work out at the "gymnasium".
gymnos = naked
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#277I see fashion every single day, people aren't under lock and key like what happened in China where they welded apartment doors shut from the outside, on at least one occasion. Such a non-article that really shows how the media inflamed the whole influenza story. It's their job to write. Writing stuff literally puts food on their table. Even when it's something as stupid as fashion industry collapsing. An influenza se…
So because your particular experience is different, everyone else's is invalid? Hundreds if not thousands of cities went into complete lockdown, and some remain in it.
My city is vibrant and busy, but a nearby state is locked down, with curfews and all stores shut except pharmacies and supermarkets. That's the reality of it, this article is exploring the effects of that.
It's not influenza, you think you're being clever, but you're just displaying your willful ignorance. A proud idiot is still an idiot.
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Even a broken clock is right twice every day. People have also been warning about the next market crash for many years. Finally, one happened because of pandemic, and it's over in a blink of an eye. I'm still expecting an even bigger crash, but I've learned my lesson against timing the future.
That's unfair. "We don't know when the next pandemic will come, but it will come, and we should be prepared for it" is a perfectly reasonable statement. Any pandemic is likely going to require PPE, PCR testing reagents, BSL labs, etc. Same thing for recessions; predicting the specific timing of one is difficult. Advocating preparations for one - economic, fiscal, social policies etc. to mitigate, for example - is not…
It wasn't at all clear in advance that all of those things were going to be needed. Mass PCR testing is not part of the standard pandemic response. Neither is the amount and kind of PPE used in this pandemic. I know the UK, for example, had trouble with there being no full-body disposable suits in the pandemic stockpile because they're not usually used for one. Whilst all half-competent countries have systems in place to PCR test, trace, and isolate, they're aimed at high-death-rate diseases like SARS which can't spread undetected because the infected rapidly start showing up at hospitals and which need to be immediately contained once they do. None of this is part of the normal response to a respiratory infection with infectivity and death rate in the same ballpark as a flu pandemic.
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Yes, but Jeans are part of the collapse now and considered formal for creatives with Levi's down 62% and doing layoffs. I thought "formality" was bizarre as well, but apparently their target demo don't consider the older skinny-jeans, and the new high-waisted mom-jeans to be as comfortable as Lulus... who'd have thunk it? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/28/jeans-sal... I suspect that it's a long term…
After buying mostly levi's jeans for 30 years I started noticing huge differences in quality / durability.. upon inspecting the waist seams I noticed the 'made in pakistan / mexico' and other labels of origin. The same style/numbers from different years had different fabric thicknesses and were made in various places, and they did not last as long. So I started to question this "American brand". Then they started goi…
I am friends with an exec that does textile manufacturing and clothes are manufactured against a "#washes" lifetime. Interestingly, brands like Polo Ralph Lauren have straight to outlet products and their #washes will be a lower number than their high-street equivalent.
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One strap shoulder Man-bags are all the rage. They are pretty practical, especially when you can’t fit your checkbook-sized wallet in tiny pockets. But in the US it looks like you’re wearing a fanny pack. Especially true in SE Asia. I resisted the trend because it looks effeminate, like you're wearing a purse. Asian guys love them because they're super practical if you ride a motorbike or scooter tandem style. I thin…
as an expat living in SE Asia (KL) I think it is because masculinity is not defined by ones clothing here. I mean, you are a masculine he-man if you have a good business, if you have big family, but the clothes you wear are no more about your masculinity than your phone wallpaper is. This is probably also because so many clothes are made here, its demystified.
A bit late to the party and almost apropos a separate topic, but Hong Kong billionaire Jimmy Lai rocks Addidas trackies with a shirt and sports jacket: https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12541694-3x2-xlarge.jpg (via https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-10/why-chinas-arrest-of-...)
